all right good evening everyone and
00:22
welcome to our
00:24
second meeting of november and
00:27
let's get the show on the road
00:31
good evening and welcome to the regular
00:32
meeting of the council of the city of
00:33
long beach held tuesday november 17th
00:35
2020 at 7 p.m
00:37
we have a roll call council member
00:39
delorey president
00:40
councilmember mandel listen
00:42
councilmember trusted
00:44
president vice president mcginnis is
00:46
absent
00:47
president bendo president let the record
00:50
indicate the presence of city manager
00:51
donald gaiden and deputy corporation
00:53
counsel richard barrios we'll have a
00:54
salute to the flag
00:56
mr barrios would you please lead us
00:58
absolutely
01:02
i pledge allegiance to the flag of the
01:04
united states of america
01:06
to the republic of the stands one nation
01:10
under god
01:21
okay thank you um just for everyone's
01:24
information uh councilwoman mcginnis
01:29
had a um had an unexpected death of a
01:32
very close friend
01:34
um so she's um
01:38
she's attending to that tonight and
01:39
that's why she's not joining us
01:42
so um she just wanted people to know
01:46
uh okay so why don't we start
01:49
with the uh city managers report
01:55
thank you um good evening everyone um
01:58
the first speaker we will have is mr
02:00
robert spalzino
02:02
to give us an update on the haberman
02:04
case
02:06
mr spolzino i'm here
02:10
good evening uh president vendo members
02:13
of the council
02:14
city manager um as you
02:18
may have heard uh the haberman case is
02:21
on trial
02:23
uh can can you all hear me
02:27
yes we can oh okay good yes okay so the
02:30
haberman case is on trial
02:32
uh before justice jack libert in the
02:35
supreme court nassau county
02:37
we started about two weeks ago we
02:43
are likely to finish tomorrow possibly
02:45
go over to friday
02:48
you have heard uh i know you've heard
02:51
some
02:52
stories about what mr haberman's claims
02:54
are in terms of damages
02:56
we're in the process of presenting
02:58
evidence which
03:00
shows that in our opinion his damages
03:04
are
03:05
far less than that if he has any damages
03:08
at all
03:09
i don't think it's appropriate for me to
03:10
talk about our strategy or what our
03:12
plans are at this moment
03:15
but once we finish the trial we will be
03:18
submitting
03:19
a post-trial brief to the judge the
03:21
judge will establish that schedule
03:24
and we will lay out our arguments in
03:26
full in that post-trial brief
03:29
and you will have the opportunity then
03:32
everyone will have the opportunity to
03:34
see uh what our position is what the
03:36
city's position is
03:38
and why we think that the
03:42
plaintiffs will not recover what they
03:45
think they're gonna recover
03:52
okay uh bob just for the edification of
03:56
some people that may not
03:57
uh know some of the history could you
03:59
just give a very high level overview of
04:02
what what brought us to this point the
04:04
case itself
04:06
sure so uh in
04:10
1987 uh
04:13
this property concerns property on the
04:15
boardwalk um
04:18
in 1987 there was a proposal to build on
04:20
this property
04:22
the um the city council at the time
04:25
decided to change the zoning and reduce
04:26
the density on the property
04:28
mr haberman sued there was a settlement
04:32
in 1989
04:34
which allowed mr haverman to build
04:37
four buildings on this property three of
04:40
which would be ten stories high
04:42
and one of which would be seven stories
04:44
high
04:45
um the
04:49
mr hebron built one building it was it's
04:52
a co-op
04:53
this this project was originally called
04:56
seapoint towers
04:58
it was and one building was built is
05:01
owned by xander corp it's now a co-op
05:04
in 2003 mr haberman proposed to build
05:08
the second of those
05:10
buildings and at that time the zoning
05:13
board
05:15
decided oh well mr haberman applied for
05:18
and received a permit to drive piles and
05:20
install
05:20
footings the folks from xander appealed
05:22
that
05:23
permit to the zoning board of appeals
05:26
which revoked that permit
05:28
largely because the largely if not
05:31
exclusively
05:33
because the uh there were time limits in
05:37
the original stipulation
05:38
variants that had been extended by the
05:41
corporation council at the time mr unger
05:44
and the zoning board did not recognize
05:46
the validity of that
05:48
uh that extension they felt that it had
05:51
have to
05:51
have their approval in order to be
05:53
extended the matter went to court the
05:55
judge held that
05:56
uh uh that the zoning board was right
05:59
the appellate division held the zoning
06:00
board was right
06:02
and then the court of appeals new york's
06:03
highest court said that mr did have the
06:05
authority
06:06
without the approval of the zoning board
06:08
to extend that time
06:11
um the the matter then went back to the
06:15
trial court
06:16
uh there was another potential
06:18
settlement that was reached
06:20
after mediation uh a year or so later
06:23
the council decided
06:24
that uh it it did not want to
06:28
adhere to that settlement there was some
06:30
question as to whether the council had
06:31
approved it or not
06:33
uh at that point
06:36
the the city withdrew from the
06:39
settlement the city had been required to
06:40
provide an answer
06:41
but didn't provide an answer and
06:43
defaulted
06:44
in the litigation uh the city appealed
06:48
that determination
06:49
the appellate division um uh firmed and
06:53
held the city in default
06:54
matter hasn't gone to the court of
06:56
appeals yet it still could
06:58
uh so the matter came back for trial
07:01
and we have been uh due to a number of
07:04
delays
07:04
having to do with the neighboring
07:06
property and the litigation involving
07:08
xander and haverham and this matter was
07:09
delayed and then because of covid the
07:11
trial was delayed
07:13
and so that has brought us where we are
07:15
today
07:16
which is where we are trying only
07:18
damages what damages
07:20
um hey roone and bel air building his
07:22
company are entitled to
07:24
because uh the city has been held in
07:27
default
07:27
and therefore liability is admitted
07:35
okay thank you um do any of the council
07:39
members have any questions
07:46
okay uh so hearing none uh bob thank you
07:49
um we'll keep our we'll keep our fingers
07:52
crossed
07:53
okay and uh hopefully you're coming back
07:56
with good news
07:57
okay i'm doing everything we're doing
07:59
everything we can to do that for you
08:01
okay thank you thank you and have a good
08:04
night
08:04
bye thank you um
08:08
next would be monique powell the
08:10
community development
08:12
director of community and development
08:18
good evening everyone uh so
08:21
i am here just to talk about one of the
08:23
projects that we have
08:25
that has been identified as a need for
08:27
the community
08:28
um is called learning spaces so with the
08:31
learning spaces
08:33
is where a collaboration with the city
08:36
and the school district were actually
08:39
providing
08:40
a safe supervised place a location
08:44
for children to learn while they do
08:47
their hybrid learning
08:48
remotely it provides developing
08:50
appropriate activities for them
08:53
and just a safe alternative instead of
08:55
them being home unsupervised
08:57
um a lot with maybe lack of
09:00
internet wi-fi or you know someone to
09:03
check their work
09:04
um and to make sure that they're
09:06
learning so uh
09:08
with the collaboration the school
09:09
district there was a survey that sent
09:11
out
09:11
that was sent out during the shutdown um
09:14
it was closed november 12th from that we
09:16
were able to
09:17
gather the data of how many families are
09:20
in need
09:21
of this service and we front loaded a
09:24
lot of information
09:25
that there's no transportation there is
09:27
food and we gave possible locations
09:29
and a possible schedule um and with that
09:32
we had about
09:33
47 responses uh put obviously um
09:36
predominantly middle school and high
09:38
school because of the hybrid schedule
09:39
that they offered
09:40
um and a lot of them was a lot from the
09:42
50 they were interested in that service
09:44
so we were able to gather
09:45
how many uh we're looking to service
09:48
that and when we say
09:48
50 that is not 50 in one day is based on
09:51
their hybrid schedule so it's an average
09:53
of 25 students per day
09:55
since we gather that data we close the
09:58
survey just so that we can make sure we
09:59
have those measurements of
10:01
uh providing services for those through
10:03
a first initial interest
10:05
uh keeping in mind a project like this
10:07
takes a lot of staffing and guidelines
10:10
um and also to adhere to covet and
10:12
operating we have to keep it under
10:14
the set amount including staffing that
10:16
needs to be um
10:18
so with that we have identified a
10:20
location
10:21
for it that has met the need because a
10:24
lot of
10:24
the family said that they are okay with
10:26
that site and it will be the magnolia
10:28
second floor
10:30
um and the good thing about that is that
10:33
it it's a great
10:34
central location it's all access to all
10:37
um
10:37
and it's a great facility that the city
10:39
owns that we will be using it has great
10:41
space
10:42
uh so again the transportation will not
10:44
be provided
10:45
food would be the staffing so we wanted
10:48
to make sure the staffing there will be
10:50
appropriately vetted to supervise kids
10:52
uh we i have met with
10:54
the youth and family staff some of them
10:57
are active uh from full-time staff that
11:01
are already at the west end community
11:03
center
11:03
uh kind of creating a staff and model
11:06
where we can use
11:07
them the days where they're not in the
11:08
programming and some of them are the
11:10
inactive staff that was recently listed
11:12
as inactive
11:13
but we are working on bringing them back
11:15
as long as it's to cover
11:17
you know the needs of the program uh and
11:19
so it creates a
11:21
job creation or retention for both the
11:23
staff that are currently at the program
11:25
that has lost enrollment
11:27
which is the sandbox am pm because of
11:29
covid
11:30
uh and the related issues but also the
11:33
creation of jobs for the supervision
11:35
and when i say supervision we are
11:37
following the ocfs state regulations
11:39
of 1 to 10 ratio um as far as
11:42
supervision
11:43
and it can go from one to twelve one to
11:45
fifteen depending on the ages
11:47
uh especially being that we are at
11:48
middle school and high school age uh
11:50
limit so it definitely matters of the
11:52
supervision and also
11:54
uh for covid as far as having staffing
11:56
on site
11:57
uh for health checks uh in daily
11:59
communication
12:00
um when it comes to the health and
12:02
safety of this program uh we will be
12:04
working simultaneously with what the
12:06
school district already have
12:08
and the policies and obviously our own
12:10
city policies when it comes to
12:12
using our state sit on sites on-site
12:15
safety plans um
12:16
as well as some covert regulations and
12:18
guidelines um the kids will be grouped
12:20
according to their grade level
12:22
again grouped together and not being
12:24
able to uh co-mingle
12:26
um but also make sure that they're doing
12:28
work lunch will be provided so they will
12:30
stop doing for lunch period
12:32
um we will have frequent communication
12:34
with the school district
12:36
about their checks their attendance um
12:38
keep in mind that staff according to the
12:40
state and ocfs regulations are not
12:42
providing instruction
12:43
they are just there as supervision to
12:45
make sure that the kids are
12:47
uh working and attentive um and that
12:50
that is really about it kids will arrive
12:52
the temperatures will be checked
12:54
attendance will be taken
12:55
they will do their remote learning and
12:56
they will be dismissed
12:58
following their their schedule their
13:00
school schedule so i know middle school
13:01
and high school varies
13:03
um and that is the goal uh we have a
13:05
launch date depending on
13:07
the collaboration um and we have a
13:09
launch date really soon
13:15
okay that sounds uh sounds really good
13:18
especially uh kids got somewhere to go
13:21
then uh
13:22
to help what they're learning uh do we
13:24
have any questions from any of the
13:26
council members
13:30
okay hearing none thank you monique
13:33
okay the um the next person i asked to
13:36
speak
13:36
um was john mooney the president of csea
13:40
um because there's lots of rumors out
13:43
there that
13:44
when we had our layoff um
13:47
right before covet and right right when
13:49
covet hit we had a layoff and then we
13:51
had another
13:52
layoff of csea employees
13:56
um and i want john to reiterate that
13:59
as people leave the city and the
14:02
position is
14:03
open that we are bringing people back
14:06
and so i just want to um dispel that
14:09
that rumor
14:10
uh mr mooney
14:13
i don't have him signed on at this time
14:19
okay i'll i'll text him so i uh i'll ask
14:22
him to come back
14:23
but yes there are people that in fact
14:26
were laid off
14:28
um and again several of the people are
14:31
already back to work
14:32
they're just in different positions um
14:35
at different salaries i see he just
14:37
popped on
14:38
he just popped on and i said john you
14:40
can unmute yourself
14:51
john you need to unm unmute
14:57
now you're unmuted
15:03
john you're on music go ahead
15:14
john if you're talking we're not hearing
15:24
you
15:27
okay well the next speaker is going to
15:29
be mr mcnally until
15:31
we can get mr mooney i just text him and
15:34
let him know that we couldn't hear him
15:38
okay well um can everybody hear me okay
15:41
yes okay so the city manager asked me to
15:44
touch upon
15:45
a few issues as part of the update this
15:47
evening
15:48
uh i'm gonna start with heavy and then
15:50
go to some happier
15:52
or lighter news um first and foremost
15:55
is just a quick update on where we stand
15:57
with covid
15:58
new numbers just came in that account
16:00
for yesterday
16:02
so the seven day period ending yesterday
16:04
saw 57
16:06
new positive cases in the long beach
16:09
community
16:10
that's averaging that's an average of
16:12
eight a day over that seven day period
16:15
uh for frame of reference back
16:18
when we were starting to hit the peak or
16:20
starting to peak in the spring
16:22
uh so march april may we were
16:26
averaging somewhere you know anywhere
16:28
between 100 150 to 200 cases
16:31
over that seven day period so we're not
16:34
there
16:34
yet but and we would like to avoid
16:38
getting there
16:39
but we're at a stage now we're at a
16:41
today 57 over the past seven day period
16:44
that's marketably increased over where
16:46
we were over the summer
16:48
and even last several weeks so we have a
16:51
level of concern
16:52
obviously the governor has issued new
16:54
executive orders
16:56
uh that all places that have a state
16:58
liquor license need to close by 10 pm
17:01
and also in-person
17:04
private gatherings at private residences
17:08
need to be capped at 10. uh our guess
17:11
internally is we'll see where we're at
17:14
uh
17:14
two weeks after thanksgiving and how
17:17
well everybody adheres to that
17:19
so in the interim we are obviously
17:22
asking everybody to re-up their
17:24
diligence the the numbers are
17:26
increasing in our community we're not
17:28
yet at a spike we want to avoid a spike
17:31
so wear your masks maintain social
17:33
distancing
17:34
and wash your hands often
17:38
and go back to where we were in the
17:39
spring so that we don't get back to
17:41
where we were in the spring
17:45
on a semi-related note well any
17:47
questions on
17:48
covid numbers
17:53
just uh you know going back
17:56
uh let's say a month or so we were
18:00
like you said the number was
18:01
significantly lower we were like one a
18:03
day right
18:04
we've so throughout the summer we
18:06
averaged you know so these are averages
18:08
but it was
18:08
half a reported case a day to a case a
18:11
day
18:12
somewhere around five weeks ago it
18:13
started ticking up to
18:15
you know we we we surpassed the one
18:17
number and then into two and then it's
18:19
really been for the past three weeks or
18:21
so we've seen three four five six and
18:23
uh the numbers that came out today that
18:25
were inclusive of
18:26
the seven day period ending yesterday
18:28
were the first time that we've gotten to
18:30
eight yeah and when i checked the
18:34
uh the map today long beaches uh
18:37
got the distinction of being higher than
18:39
most of the communities around us
18:42
yeah and that is i mean the number that
18:44
you're seeing on a news day map or even
18:45
the the county map
18:46
is is a cumulative number so it's from
18:49
the beginning of the pandemic
18:50
we as a as a zip code with
18:54
34 000 plus residents have a denser
18:57
population here so our number
18:59
just from a proportional standpoint is
19:01
going to be higher we we do not
19:03
have access to percent positivity rates
19:06
you know that the
19:07
the state really uses um so the numbers
19:10
you know we know increasing is also our
19:12
testing rather has also increased but
19:15
what we're seeing we are we are assured
19:19
that what we are seeing is not just a
19:22
response to increased testing that you
19:24
know the increased numbers that we're
19:25
seeing are
19:26
are a real increase in in in positive
19:29
tests in our community
19:31
yeah so folks please wear this
19:35
wear one of these we don't want to have
19:37
to go back to shutting things down
19:40
and it's not going to be us but the
19:41
governor that'll do it but
19:43
let's not give him a reason so please
19:48
so that was actually a perfect segue we
19:51
are starting to get calls about what's
19:52
happening with holiday events
19:54
um similar to how we've been doing
19:57
other events where we've kept things to
20:00
a
20:00
very small private crowd the menorah
20:04
lighting and the christmas tree
20:06
lighting will be largely virtual uh in
20:08
nature we're not
20:10
obviously inviting huge crowds to come
20:12
down so it'll be a very limited number
20:14
of people
20:15
really just you know the folks that are
20:16
necessary in order to make the event go
20:18
off
20:19
and we will facebook live stream uh
20:21
those events we're working with rabbi
20:23
goodman and others in the community
20:25
uh about how to make it most meaningful
20:27
from the menorah lighting and we'll do
20:29
the same for sure obviously when it
20:30
comes to the christmas tree lighting
20:32
but those will be virtual events uh the
20:35
other one
20:36
that uh we're starting to get lots of
20:39
questions on and it is painful to say
20:41
but
20:41
uh i would imagine somewhat expected as
20:44
well is the electric light parade
20:46
uh is cancelled for this year uh it is
20:50
i'm sure everybody on this zoom call and
20:52
everybody listening one of our
20:54
favorite events um but there's there's
20:56
not been a parade
20:58
held you know of of this nature held in
21:01
new york state
21:02
since really memorial day uh and the
21:04
restriction is
21:05
you can't have more than 50 people at an
21:08
event
21:09
and that includes not just participants
21:11
but spectators and there's
21:13
there's no way to hold a parade of this
21:16
nature
21:16
and contain it to just 50 participants
21:19
and spectators
21:21
um so it's regrettable it's
21:24
unfortunate it's another 2020 sort of
21:27
thing but
21:28
uh we look forward to coming back um
21:31
bigger and better in 2021 but it's just
21:33
an
21:33
impossibility to to have the electric
21:35
light parade
21:36
um you know in during these times and
21:40
uh with the numbers going the direction
21:42
that they're going in um you know and
21:44
that's really
21:45
from uh if we did try and pull it off
21:47
then we run into the wrath of
21:49
potentially having
21:50
you know a turning into a super spreader
21:52
event potentially but then also b
21:54
the governor coming in and saying well
21:56
long beach isn't following the rules so
21:58
we're just going to shut it down and
22:00
neither of those
22:01
uh probable outcomes are what we want to
22:05
see
22:06
so um unfortunately we're passed for
22:08
this year
22:09
but we look forward to 2020 being or
22:11
2021
22:12
being vastly different than 2020
22:16
questions on those items
22:21
no what's the happy news uh we're
22:24
getting better now so this is
22:26
this is all slightly better stuff moving
22:27
forward um
22:29
on the agenda tonight are uh it's really
22:32
with agenda items number eight and nine
22:36
concern what's been going on with our
22:38
rec center and our programs and the
22:40
outside vendors so
22:42
um i just wanted to be able to give or
22:44
the city manager asked me to give a
22:45
little bit of a recap to how we got to
22:47
where we are tonight
22:49
um i've spoken with i don't know how
22:51
many understandably concerned parents
22:53
over the past three weeks
22:55
uh obviously not an ideal situation that
22:57
we find ourselves in but
22:59
and i've spoken with many council
23:00
members over it but just wanted to give
23:02
as quickly as i can a
23:04
sort of re-account of of how we got
23:06
where we are
23:07
so the last weekend in october uh one of
23:10
the city organized programs
23:12
had a positive covent test uh with
23:16
one of the player or one of the coaches
23:18
so
23:19
we had to sort of double down and figure
23:21
out what we were doing
23:22
in terms of protocol not in terms of
23:26
that the sport was not being carried out
23:28
the right way but
23:30
how we would manage shutdowns when we
23:32
got a positive case so
23:33
we shut down programs for the weekend
23:36
reviewed those protocols
23:37
had them in place but as part of that
23:39
process we also looked at
23:41
the agreements that we had with all of
23:43
the third party vendors that were
23:45
operating
23:46
uh our youth program so whether that was
23:48
in the the ice arena or whether that was
23:51
in the pool
23:52
um and even some other extracurricular
23:54
activities we needed to make sure that
23:56
we had the proper liabilities in place
23:59
and that the agreements were up to snuff
24:01
and as the council is well aware um
24:05
our city has had a history of doing
24:08
business
24:09
in a very informal way and often via
24:12
handshake agreements
24:13
um the the prior was probably the case
24:16
here
24:17
um we we very much like
24:20
all of the outside organizations that
24:23
are operating our programs they are
24:25
bedrocks of our community whether it's
24:28
you know the
24:28
the lightning the sharks whether it was
24:30
scoot and surf whether it was lyack
24:33
you know this is not a reflection on the
24:35
quality of any of the programs or any of
24:37
the vendors
24:38
but at the end of the day when we took a
24:42
glimpse at
24:43
what those agreements look like there
24:45
was no
24:46
indemnification for the city and the 34
24:50
000 residents that represent the city so
24:52
you know hockey can be a very physical
24:54
sport swimming has its
24:56
dangers side to it and all of our
24:58
vendors do a fantastic job
25:00
but if somebody got hurt the exposure to
25:03
our taxpayers
25:04
was just untenable so we needed
25:07
formalized agreements to be put in place
25:09
that passed muster
25:10
and that made sure that everybody was on
25:13
firm footing both in terms of the third
25:15
party vendor
25:16
the residents um you know and the city
25:18
proper
25:20
and in addition to that along the same
25:22
theme
25:23
there's obviously a good deal of money
25:25
that changes hands as part of these
25:27
arrangements
25:28
just between families and the third
25:30
party vendor
25:32
uh the vendor and the city how they
25:34
lease out space or whatever agreement we
25:36
have
25:37
and to a you know really to
25:40
a party all of those arrangements
25:44
had not gone through a proper
25:46
procurement
25:47
uh procedure for however many years
25:52
um so we felt we really needed to in
25:55
order to get to the place where we could
25:56
sign
25:57
a valid tight protective agreement that
26:00
everybody could live with and that you
26:02
know these programs could flourish under
26:04
we needed to go out for an rfp and that
26:07
meant
26:08
that there was gonna have to you know
26:10
even after
26:11
the pause for kovid that we were gonna
26:13
have to keep people
26:14
off ice and these programs on pause for
26:17
a few weeks until
26:18
that got fleshed out so as soon as we
26:21
came to that
26:22
internal conclusion uh an rfp was issued
26:25
uh and we fast-tracked it you know to
26:28
what the the minimum legal time was so
26:30
we got the responses back from almost
26:31
all the vendors that were previously
26:33
operating
26:34
uh and we went through the internal
26:37
evaluation committee and what you see
26:39
tonight on
26:40
agenda item eight um are
26:44
they almost all of the previous outside
26:46
vendors
26:47
that were operating there are back at
26:49
the table and will be pending for your
26:51
consideration tonight
26:53
uh conditional approval that would get
26:56
them
26:57
um operating as early as tomorrow um
27:00
while we work out finalized agreements
27:01
with them
27:04
so that was a little bit more
27:05
complicated but um any questions on that
27:13
okay moving on the last bit of news i
27:16
have
27:16
is that this sunday from 9 00 a.m until
27:20
1pm uh behind the long island railroad
27:24
parking garage where we typically
27:26
do the annual stop program and where the
27:28
stop program was held just
27:30
two weekends ago i believe we are doing
27:32
our first uh
27:34
community shred slash e-cycle day
27:38
so e-cycling is something that we had
27:40
previously had a bin
27:41
set up uh behind the rec center that
27:44
location got
27:45
moved due to covid it will be coming
27:47
back in a couple of weeks but we assume
27:49
we have a pent-up demand for e-cycling
27:52
so we have the vendor coming with a
27:54
whole bunch of you know flatbeds
27:56
to accept large items and any cycling
27:59
items
28:00
and i don't believe it's ever been done
28:02
in the city before but this was a
28:03
brainchild of our city manager it's been
28:06
it's happened in other areas where where
28:08
she has worked
28:09
but a community-wide shred day so we
28:11
will have a shred truck
28:13
this is for long beach residents only
28:15
we're going to ask people to bring valid
28:16
ids
28:17
9 a.m to 11 a.m this sunday morning
28:21
our facebook page and website will have
28:23
updated
28:24
more detailed information about it
28:26
tomorrow morning
28:27
but we're excited to have a service that
28:30
we know is uh
28:31
there's a high demand for and we look
28:33
forward to this being an annual event
28:36
that's the end of it for me
28:39
so john in addition for the shred it's
28:42
is it just
28:44
documents just paper or is it
28:48
other things like cds and things like
28:51
that that you know people may have old
28:52
cds with files on them and stuff
28:54
no for the shred it's really it's paper
28:56
products you know and it can't be in
28:58
plastic binders
28:59
staples are okay but binder clips are
29:01
not um all of those details will be on
29:03
the flyers on the website that start
29:05
going out tomorrow
29:06
okay and we're just asking no more than
29:09
three boxes per car load for uh
29:11
for the shred so might not be everything
29:14
in your basement but we're happy to take
29:15
a chunk of it away
29:17
does that include a refrigerator box
29:21
if you can fit it in your car maybe
29:25
all right uh any questions from the
29:29
council members
29:30
you said it so it'll be shredding and it
29:32
will be
29:33
electronics as well correct we'll have
29:36
we'll have two separate lines
29:38
you know provided that demand is there
29:39
this is the first time we're doing it so
29:41
we're going to see
29:42
um but provided that demand is there
29:44
we'll have two separate lines one for
29:45
shredding one for recycling if somebody
29:47
has both we'll have staff on the ground
29:49
too
29:50
um we'll probably send you on the
29:51
e-cycle line and then we'll have staff
29:53
on the ground
29:54
to help move your your paper goods and
29:57
your shredded items
29:59
from the e-cycling side over to the
30:00
shredder what i would say because of
30:03
covid
30:04
this is not a stand and watch your
30:07
your documents get shredded it's going
30:08
to be dropped off we promise you we will
30:11
shred it we don't want to look at your
30:12
stuff the whole point of this is to help
30:14
you eliminate
30:15
um confidential information it will
30:17
grant shredded but there's not going to
30:19
be
30:20
an opportunity for folks to sit and
30:22
watch their individual boxes get
30:24
shredded but we have a reputable company
30:25
that's doing this that
30:27
will guarantee that the documents are
30:28
shredded and disposed of properly
30:33
um thank you mr mcnally
30:37
liz are you finished i was just saying
30:39
thank you mike go ahead
30:40
okay um
30:44
when you drive up with a box or two in
30:46
your
30:47
trunk is the staff able to help
30:51
carry that box to the shredding machine
30:55
yes that's what we're going to be having
30:57
staff on site for i mean i ideally the
30:59
way this works especially in covid is
31:01
you have it in a trunk um we're
31:04
obviously trying to limit contact so you
31:05
have it in your trunk you pop the trunk
31:08
we pull it out of the trunk and you're
31:09
on your way and
31:12
i would assume that people that are
31:15
driving
31:15
to this event should be wearing their
31:18
masks
31:20
absolutely thank you for that if you
31:21
didn't hear my first item update
31:23
please wear your masks that goes for all
31:25
such activities
31:26
by the way i asked because i attended
31:28
the town of hampstead one a couple of
31:29
weeks ago
31:30
and i watch their procedure
31:33
and they're
31:37
it's very good the last question i have
31:40
is
31:42
are business owners allowed to do the
31:45
same
31:46
or is it just residents uh if the
31:48
business owner is a resident
31:50
yes okay thank you
31:56
okay did we ever get mr
32:00
i guess we're done here uh with this one
32:02
you all done john
32:05
i think you've heard enough of me for
32:07
one night
32:09
did we get mr mooney back there's no
32:11
there's no steelers game tonight to
32:13
distract them so
32:15
i see he's back so let's see he's back
32:18
let's see if we can hear him this time
32:20
you hear me now we can hear you okay
32:25
all right just to point out what uh the
32:28
steelers are 9-0 by the way just want to
32:30
remind mr bendo that
32:32
um since the pandemic and the layoffs
32:34
and the budget
32:35
i've worked very hard with the city
32:37
manager uh we've brought back some of
32:39
the employees when either a vacancy
32:40
existed
32:42
or retirement happened um jobs were
32:45
offered to some
32:46
employees they refused them others
32:48
accepted
32:49
and we've moved on in a good direction
32:51
the city managers worked in good faith
32:53
with us
32:54
and i want to personally thank her for
32:55
that we still have more work to do on
32:57
that and we're going to do it and get it
32:59
done
33:00
um and i would ask that people not pay
33:02
attention to all the trolls
33:04
with the fake identities on social media
33:07
there are no new layoffs due to anything
33:08
on this agenda tonight
33:10
and we're working with the city we've
33:12
been working with the city and do not
33:13
pay attention to the trolls
33:15
with the fake identities on social media
33:17
all jobs clear and easy
33:19
work as hard as we can for our residents
33:20
and produce the best product we can
33:22
it's that simple and to touch on what uh
33:26
mr mcnally spoke on before
33:28
we've been promoting to mask up social
33:30
distance and keep getting tested and
33:32
let's beat the virus together
33:34
so has anybody got any questions for me
33:40
this is liz i just wanted to say thank
33:42
you and thank everyone for their
33:44
services to our city
33:46
no problem thank you too we'll get
33:47
through this
33:49
um thank you mr mooney um i just want to
33:52
say thank you i enjoy working with you
33:54
as well um we are trying to work
33:56
together moving the city
33:58
forward and then the ones that are uh
34:01
still laid off as we have more
34:03
retirements which we are anticipating
34:05
happening
34:06
in the next two months we can offer uh
34:08
people that were
34:09
laid off and a job and the goal is to
34:12
bring back as many as we can
34:14
um and we are staying within budget so i
34:17
i really appreciate you the only the
34:20
last thing i have
34:21
is that the boards are up
34:24
we have uh last night we had the very
34:28
first introductory meeting for the
34:30
senior advisory board um where the
34:33
board members got a chance to meet each
34:35
other tomorrow night it will be the
34:37
planning
34:38
the planning board um we have a
34:41
recreation
34:42
boards and uh board that will be meeting
34:44
soon
34:45
um and then we have the environmental
34:47
board
34:48
one of the resolutions on tonight is to
34:51
add numbers to the
34:54
environmental we actually have more
34:56
people that want to be involved
34:59
on the environmental than the charter
35:01
says
35:02
and we believe that increasing the
35:04
number will benefit the community
35:06
we have some really dynamic people um
35:09
what is really exciting is that we have
35:12
long time residents and we have new
35:14
residents
35:16
so everyone's coming together we're
35:19
still looking for people for public
35:21
safety
35:22
ethics and zoning so if you are on the
35:25
board
35:26
currently on the board please resubmit
35:28
an application
35:30
or if you if you have not submitted an
35:32
application stating that if your term is
35:34
up that you would like to remain on the
35:36
board
35:36
um because we would like to get those
35:38
boards filled and get those
35:39
up and running as soon as possible as
35:42
well
35:43
uh civil service um you will be getting
35:45
the names
35:46
for the people that we are moving
35:48
forward to civil service
35:50
to be on the agenda for the december 1st
35:53
and so uh what all i can say is that the
35:56
residents that are on these boards and
35:58
commissions are very happy
36:00
that they're back up and running and
36:02
they can give back to the community
36:04
so that ends my report yeah i also i
36:08
think it's worth
36:09
noting that you know so we had talked
36:12
about
36:13
uh back in earlier in the year that we
36:15
were going to start standing up these
36:17
boards and commissions again
36:18
unfortunately covid slowed things down
36:21
because meetings
36:22
couldn't take place and we hadn't quite
36:25
worked out this whole zoom thing at uh
36:28
yet so that kind of put a hinder but you
36:30
know as you can see we're we're getting
36:32
these
36:32
these long dormant or
36:36
quite frankly boards that existed on
36:38
paper but didn't exist in reality
36:42
up and running but i think it's
36:43
important to note too that
36:46
it wasn't just people were appointed the
36:49
city manager
36:50
actually interviewed every one of the
36:53
people
36:54
that's been appointed they all went
36:56
through an interview process
36:58
so uh this wasn't just you know somebody
37:02
sent an email saying i want to be on uh
37:04
it wasn't that simple the everybody was
37:07
interviewed and their qualifications
37:09
reviewed
37:10
to make sure uh people were were a good
37:12
fit and
37:13
weren't necessarily coming with uh um
37:17
agendas quite frankly i'll put it that
37:21
way
37:22
so uh i i i wanted to give kudos to the
37:25
city manager
37:26
for making sure this was a thorough uh
37:29
thorough process
37:32
um thank you i also want to mention to
37:34
everyone all our meetings are by
37:36
zoom so we're not meeting in person
37:39
everything is zoomed yeah and if you
37:41
want to join if any residents want to
37:44
join but don't want to come in for an
37:46
interview
37:46
i do zoom interviews as well
37:50
okay good to know
37:54
all right uh any of the council members
37:57
got any questions for donna before we
37:58
move on
38:01
all right see you none so dave why don't
38:03
we move on to the
38:04
to the agenda okay i'm going to call the
38:07
public hearings out of order
38:08
um we're going to start with the off
38:10
street so
38:11
our first public hearing is going to be
38:13
the resolution granting waiver of war
38:14
street parking requirements for premise
38:16
126 east park avenue street floor for a
38:19
gym studio
38:20
and we do have the owner on i'm gonna
38:23
allow you to talk
38:27
okay kelly you're unmuted yeah can you
38:30
hear me yes we can hear you great
38:32
hi kelly hi how are you good
38:35
good so uh can you tell us a little bit
38:38
about your business
38:39
sure core 95 was actually um a business
38:42
that was across the street
38:44
uh from city hall it was a hot bar in
38:47
yoga and pilates studio so bar b-a-r-r-e
38:51
so it's exercise not a bao um so it's a
38:54
hot yoga
38:55
studio bar studio exercise studio
38:58
and um due to covet it was a shared
39:01
space
39:02
and we had to close so now we're
39:04
reopening
39:05
uh uh 126 east park
39:08
okay and that's next to uh margaritas
39:11
right
39:12
yep mm-hmm okay um
39:16
so what do you anticipate your your
39:18
hours to be
39:19
well if it's like la what our our
39:22
previous you know
39:23
it's a little hard to say with coven but
39:25
what we're hoping is
39:27
we will have a 6 a.m class an 8 a.m
39:30
class
39:31
a 9 30 class and this won't be every day
39:33
like so say monday wednesday friday
39:35
would more than likely be a 6 a.m and a
39:37
9
39:37
30 and then tuesday thursday would be a
39:41
seven
39:42
a.m and maybe a nine and then usually in
39:45
the middle of the day the studios don't
39:47
get
39:47
much um action it's usually two hour two
39:51
hours worth of classes in the morning
39:54
maybe there might be something in the
39:56
middle of the day but probably not
39:57
because
39:58
the numbers wouldn't warrant it and then
40:00
in the evening we have two classes
40:01
usually at five
40:03
and sometimes seven sometimes eight
40:06
and then on the weekend we have morning
40:09
classes so it's really in the
40:11
early morning till about 11 a.m then
40:14
there's a chunk of
40:15
time that we're not in there and then it
40:17
starts back up around
40:18
4 30 and kind of ends
40:22
around eight tuesday nights the only
40:24
time we had an eight o'clock class and
40:26
then
40:26
that class ended at 8 45. okay
40:29
great uh how many people do you
40:31
anticipate uh in
40:33
in a class or in in the facil studio at
40:36
any time
40:38
and not the numbers we used to have well
40:40
yeah obviously
40:43
hopefully i can make the rent no i'm
40:44
kidding no i would think
40:46
probably uh based on
40:49
the square footage and what we're
40:50
allowed the maximum right now
40:53
would be 20. i don't think we'll get the
40:56
maximum what i'm seeing
40:57
other gyms and other studios that are
40:59
similar to
41:00
ours is about 10 12.
41:04
in the morning we've had the early
41:06
morning classes there they've always
41:07
just been about
41:08
three to six people um so it's a
41:11
boutique fitness so the numbers
41:13
are meant to be stronger than sort of a
41:15
big box
41:16
smaller than a big box gym you know you
41:20
don't usually get higher than 20 anyway
41:21
it's supposed to be more of an intimate
41:23
setting but i
41:24
i i think it's going to be 10 to 12 i
41:26
mean that that would be my guess
41:27
all right now how many employees do you
41:29
anticipate having no
41:31
employees all of our instructors are
41:33
contractors so they contract
41:34
out they're 10.99 oh okay yeah so
41:38
i'm the only employee and then all the
41:40
instructors
41:41
okay are you still doing dance classes
41:44
too
41:45
we were you know it was they were so fun
41:48
but they did not take off to the degree
41:50
that we thought they would
41:51
um i think we'll bring them back i just
41:54
hope they work i
41:55
enjoyed them but they they wouldn't they
41:57
didn't pick up the adult dance classes
41:59
and the adult hip-hop
42:01
they just didn't pick up like we thought
42:04
they would
42:05
all right because i think councilman
42:06
mandel wants to learn how to cha-cha
42:08
we'll teach him we got you i'm in
42:12
[Laughter]
42:15
all right uh do we have any uh questions
42:17
from the uh
42:19
council members
42:22
hi kelly this is liz hey liz
42:24
congratulations
42:25
thank you um um is there room for a bike
42:30
rack outside that business
42:32
there is an existing bike rack um
42:35
right to the right of it i don't know if
42:37
it's mine or i mean the building's owned
42:39
by the same person as
42:41
margaritas so i guess it's just a shared
42:43
back bike rack but there is
42:45
there are two bike racks two orange ones
42:47
there
42:48
and i was actually thinking of asking
42:50
for another one because we actually
42:52
encourage our members to bike to the
42:55
studio and take a picture and then they
42:56
get entered into winning
42:58
raffles and stuff because we're super
43:00
i'm super eco
43:01
conscious so great yeah so i was it's in
43:04
my list of things to ask them there are
43:06
two in existence but i would love there
43:08
is room
43:09
there's this like potted plant saying
43:11
not it's not it's like a
43:13
this this there's a thing that we could
43:15
move and maybe get another one so i was
43:17
going to ask the landlord
43:18
and the city oh yes the potted plant
43:21
yeah not the permanent one there's like
43:24
this
43:26
yeah all right any other questions
43:32
okay uh thanks kelly uh dave so we don't
43:35
have to
43:36
keep her here can we uh ask if there's
43:38
any questions from the public
43:40
uh yeah why don't we uh see if there's
43:42
any questions from the public and then
43:43
we can take
43:44
once again and once again folks uh if
43:46
you want
43:47
for any of the items for public comment
43:50
please use the raise your hand function
43:52
if you have any questions and right now
43:54
i do not see any hands raised
43:57
okay great so why don't we uh move on
44:00
and uh
44:01
take the vote and that way uh we can so
44:03
this is this
44:04
this public hearing is um with item
44:07
number three on the agenda a resolution
44:08
granting waiver of all street parking
44:10
requirements for premise 126 east park
44:12
avenue for a gym studio
44:14
would you just move the adoption of this
44:15
item i will
44:19
second i will
44:23
voting council member delorey yes
44:25
councilmember mandel
44:27
yes councilmember treston yes
44:30
uh president bendo yes welcome back to
44:33
long beach and
44:34
councilman mandel is looking forward to
44:36
the cha-cha class
44:40
all right good luck and welcome back
44:43
hi kelly thanks guys appreciate it
44:46
good night bye
44:50
all right we got another public hearing
44:52
yes so we now
44:53
we have the the first public hearing
44:55
which is an ordinance to mend the code
44:56
of ordinances of the city of long beach
44:57
regarding motor vehicles and traffic
45:01
okay and who's gonna speak on that one
45:09
is that rich and uh commissioner ragona
45:17
oh i see phil popped up
45:23
hi can you hear me yes we can great hi
45:26
everybody
45:27
um in regards to this uh
45:31
this ordinance that we have about the
45:32
motor vehicle and traffic law for
45:33
commercial vehicles
45:35
um as you know we we can't have
45:38
commercial we don't have commercial
45:40
vehicles parking within the city of long
45:42
beach and there is a need to have
45:44
a allocated area to have commercial
45:46
vehicles park
45:48
over the last number of years it seems
45:51
like the area that we've now
45:53
um are allocating for vehicles
45:57
from long beach boulevard um
46:00
going down towards riverside on park
46:03
place that
46:04
one block area and ending at riverside
46:06
going one block north and south
46:08
um has been an area where many
46:12
many commercial vehicles have begun
46:15
begun to
46:15
park their their trucks their motor
46:18
homes their trailers
46:20
um it's become a bit of an eyesore and
46:23
um
46:23
kind of uncontrollable so we put our
46:25
heads together
46:27
and we decided if you're going to have
46:29
an allocated area for commercial
46:31
vehicles
46:32
it's a great commercial area but we need
46:34
to control it as a city
46:36
um and that's exactly what we're doing
46:38
with this
46:39
this ordinance uh what it will do is
46:42
it'll
46:43
put a small area where all residents
46:46
have primary um the primary option to
46:50
park their vehicles and then out of town
46:53
is also
46:54
uh commercial vehicles uh along that one
46:56
and a half block radius
46:58
um through getting permits and with the
47:01
commission will get through the city
47:02
clerk
47:03
there'll be a fee it'll it'll generate
47:05
revenue but that's not the primary um
47:07
reason we're doing it we're putting in
47:08
an area where we can now
47:10
know what cause of air what commercial
47:12
vehicles are parked
47:13
we can control it by we i mean the
47:16
police department
47:17
um and make sure that they're adhering
47:19
to the rules that they're legally
47:20
registered
47:21
and they uh they're in a commercial area
47:24
a small area
47:25
but an area that we know they're at
47:29
and that we can check and that we can um
47:32
uh make sure that the cars that are
47:33
there the commercial vehicles
47:36
um are registered with the clerk's
47:38
office and that
47:39
the vehicles are also legally registered
47:41
and insured and inspected
47:43
so i think it's a win-win for the city
47:45
and for the businesses and the business
47:47
owners
47:47
from town
47:51
so phil if somebody um
47:55
obviously there's been vehicles parking
47:57
back there now how how are we going to
47:59
let
48:00
um how are we going to get word out that
48:03
people will now have to have a permit
48:06
right so we're going to do an an
48:07
informational type of strategy
48:09
we're going to start with well when if
48:11
this passes and and it goes through
48:13
um we're going to for the next month or
48:15
so we'll start putting
48:17
warning tags on all the cars that are
48:19
there
48:20
and we'll let them know effect of the
48:22
date that we have it and january 1st is
48:24
the date that it seems to be on here
48:26
that you will start getting summonsed
48:28
and or towed if you
48:30
are not you have to permit on your car
48:33
um
48:34
so for the next month or so we will let
48:36
them know we're not just going to start
48:38
arbitrarily towing cars or summonsing
48:40
and then effective january 1st uh
48:43
we'll go we're going to uh into
48:46
enforcement mode
48:49
okay um
48:54
and and this is just this does not
48:56
include
48:58
tractor trailers and campers and things
49:01
it's it's more
49:02
smaller box truck type things and
49:05
and uh other smaller commercial vehicles
49:07
correct
49:08
yes we have a 20 foot length on on on
49:11
the vehicles that can be parked in the
49:12
commercial vehicles there's not going to
49:13
be tractor trailers there they're not
49:15
acceptable
49:16
um and it's something we discussed in
49:17
length we don't want to have a bunch of
49:19
tractor trailers parked back there
49:22
it really is meant to assist the
49:24
residents
49:25
who have a business and want to put a
49:26
commercial vehicle somewhere in town
49:28
it's a commercial area that they can put
49:30
it
49:31
um but certainly not for tractor
49:32
trailers 20 feet is the maximum length
49:34
you can have
49:36
okay uh any questions from any
49:40
of the council members um i just have
49:44
one question commissioner is
49:46
approximately how many uh
49:50
vehicles um
49:53
a certain length would be able to
49:56
fit in this area that's a great question
50:00
mr glory
50:01
and i really don't know the answer i i
50:03
would imagine this is
50:04
well over a hundred that he can fit in
50:06
that block area if they're 20
50:08
they're going to be 20 feet and under so
50:10
depending if it's a smaller trailer
50:12
and a lot or a 20-foot box truck
50:15
it would depend um but probably close to
50:18
100.
50:20
yeah i'm just thinking if if if there is
50:23
ever an overflow of people
50:26
needing a permit that we can't
50:30
fit in that location i guess we could
50:32
look into that down the road if it
50:34
happens
50:35
yeah we've actually talked about it
50:37
myself and uh
50:40
think like frasier in regards to moving
50:43
it from riverside when you get to that
50:44
block all the way down to um
50:46
ponch so we've talked about moving
50:49
another block down
50:50
and if need be and the uh
50:53
there is a requirement or the need for
50:55
it we'll do that
50:56
okay thank you very much you're welcome
51:03
all right um
51:06
any more questions from the council
51:10
all right any questions from the public
51:13
yes we do we have roy lester has his
51:15
hand up i will unmute him
51:17
okay go ahead right can you hear me
51:21
yes sir okay uh just couple of questions
51:25
the if somebody's doing work on the
51:27
house for example they have a commercial
51:29
vehicle
51:29
and they're only there for a couple of
51:31
days they still have to buy you a year
51:33
permit for the 750 dollars just to park
51:36
for the couple of days
51:40
okay um how you doing mr lester
51:45
can you hear me yeah i hear you
51:48
right i think the way this particular
51:50
provision is is contemplated it's not
51:52
meant to kind of knock
51:54
contractors who are working on a
51:55
property temporarily it's more about
51:57
um residents who have commercial
51:59
vehicles that have no place to park them
52:02
um i don't think it's we're gonna hit
52:03
every single contractor for 750.
52:06
uh i don't think that's what it's
52:07
contemplated for uh commissioner rogona
52:09
and dave you can correct me if i'm wrong
52:12
that's that's my understanding of what
52:13
the but that's
52:15
whether you're going to do it or not
52:17
that's how it's written though isn't it
52:21
only if they want to park in the
52:22
commercial zone up um
52:24
up on um park place well where else
52:27
would they park
52:28
if they're working on the house for a
52:30
couple of days
52:32
at night
52:35
it's the same as where they park at
52:37
night now that what this is intended for
52:39
more
52:40
is is long-term parking
52:44
but i mean the way it's written
52:47
i know what it's intended for and i'm
52:49
sure you don't intend to put anyone in
52:51
jail but it says you can go to jail for
52:53
15 days
52:54
if you stop at the wrong place or park
52:56
in the wrong place
52:58
i'm just asking if the way it's written
53:01
am i wrong
53:04
that if you want to park in the
53:05
commercial place
53:07
you can't park any place you can't park
53:09
a commercial vehicle
53:10
in a regular street unless you're
53:13
unloading or loading
53:14
and you have 30 minutes stuff like that
53:17
so if you're doing work on the house for
53:19
let's say three or four days and you
53:22
want to park your
53:23
vehicle in the commercial area which
53:27
which would make sense am i correct that
53:29
you would need
53:30
according to the law to pay the 750
53:34
for the application i think mr lester
53:37
what i think it's kind of
53:39
the way the way i guess it really works
53:41
in fact right so
53:42
when a when a cop is working on a house
53:45
it's not like they post up and leave
53:46
their truck there
53:47
overnight because we have uh hours of
53:50
construction under the code right
53:52
so presumably and i'm just kind of going
53:54
off your hypothetical
53:55
that a contractor does work on a house
53:58
does their work for the day
53:59
and then packs it up and goes home if
54:02
under your circumstances you're saying
54:04
let's say that contractor wants to park
54:06
overnight for
54:07
days the only place they can do so is at
54:10
that commercial parking area
54:12
and if they wanted to do that yes they
54:13
would have to purchase a permit
54:15
for 750 dollars for a couple of days all
54:18
right that's right
54:19
that's what they wanted to do um
54:21
typically yes i could
54:22
take their trucks back to wherever they
54:23
were from you know yeah
54:25
okay thank you okay
54:29
any more dave nope that's all
54:32
okay so let's uh close that hearing and
54:35
uh
54:36
we'll move on we'll go on to the onto
54:38
the regular calendar
54:39
our first item is uh item one is
54:41
approval of minutes from prior meeting
54:42
october 6
54:43
2020. we'll make a motion to approve
54:45
those minutes
54:47
i will second
54:52
anyone someone anyone i will
54:56
thank you voting council member delorey
54:59
yes councilmember mandel yes
55:01
councilmember treston
55:03
yes president bendo yes okay
55:06
item two is in order to amend the code
55:08
of ordinances the city of long beach
55:09
regarding motor vehicles and traffic a
55:11
hearing has been held on this item
55:12
already
55:13
item three we've already uh voted on as
55:15
well resolution granting waiver of war
55:16
street parking
55:17
premise 126 east park avenue for a gym
55:19
studio
55:20
i'd afford the resolution adopting an
55:22
expenditure policy for the city of long
55:24
beach
55:26
okay that's james
55:32
and ana
55:38
okay you're both unmuted good evening
55:41
good evening hi james hi iana
55:44
for giving us the opportunity to speak
55:46
again um you know the the first policy
55:48
we'd like to speak about
55:49
is the expenditure policy uh so the
55:52
expenditure policies
55:53
it's a financial policy which is
55:55
generally considered to be
55:56
a a best practice it addresses a range
56:00
of issues around how the money is
56:03
expended
56:04
including personnel outsourcing and the
56:07
funding of
56:08
certain long-term liabilities the policy
56:11
includes you know number of different
56:13
procedures
56:14
and policy statements relating to the
56:16
various uh you know various purchase
56:18
transaction types departmental
56:21
compliance
56:22
and monitoring of budgetary
56:24
appropriation lines
56:26
and how vendor invoices would be handled
56:29
it further includes time frames relating
56:31
to the term
56:32
and the lapse of those budgetary
56:33
appropriations
56:35
and there's an annual requirement in the
56:37
policy
56:38
for department heads to acknowledge that
56:40
they have received and reviewed the
56:42
city's
56:42
expenditure policy
56:48
okay any questions from the council
56:51
members
56:55
all right and this uh like i said uh at
56:58
previous meetings you're gonna see
56:59
uh more of these these policies that
57:01
we're instituting to start uh
57:04
getting some standardized practices and
57:06
uh in place
57:08
that uh across the city so
57:12
uh people know what's expected and uh
57:17
and like i said start defining how we we
57:19
conduct some of our business
57:21
um so there's three more that we're
57:23
doing tonight uh
57:25
all right i didn't see any questions
57:27
from any of the council members so
57:29
uh thanks james i'm sure we're gonna be
57:31
hearing from you
57:32
again shortly but yep i know and then uh
57:34
do we have any from the public
57:36
yes roy lester okay go ahead roy
57:44
you hear me now yes yes okay under the
57:47
expenditure policy statements number six
57:50
it says whenever reasonably possible
57:52
arrangements will be made with other
57:54
government governments private
57:56
individuals and firms to contract
57:58
out or cooperatively deliver services in
58:00
a
58:01
uh manner that reduces costs improving
58:03
fish efficiency
58:05
is this something new i know that while
58:08
i was on the school board for years we
58:10
tried to get the city to
58:12
uh operate cooperatively with us on even
58:15
the simplest things like snow removal
58:17
and stuff and we could never even get a
58:19
meeting with the city
58:20
is that has that been changed
58:24
what do you mean change roy you mean are
58:26
we going to try to do more things
58:28
collaborative
58:29
collaborative yeah yes yes yes we are to
58:32
help save money for both this
58:34
for like for the school it would help
58:35
save money for the city and the school
58:37
district
58:38
oh no kidding yeah we've been trying um
58:41
and the other thing is under number nine
58:43
it says all appropriations and operating
58:45
funds of the city shall lapse at the
58:47
close of the fiscal year to the extent
58:49
that they have not been
58:50
expended or encumbered how much over the
58:53
last two years has not been expended or
58:55
encumbered
58:57
in the appropriation roy and let you
58:59
know that's not something we have handy
59:02
readily available okay yeah
59:06
thank you thanks okay
59:09
anyone else dave
59:12
nope that was it okay so let's move on
59:17
okay item five is a resolution adopting
59:19
and americans with disabilities act
59:20
policy for the city of long beach
59:23
okay i guess that's gonna be james again
59:27
yes so the ada policy again relates to
59:31
the americans with disabilities act
59:33
it's intended to ensure that the city
59:35
does not discriminate against qualified
59:37
individuals with disabilities
59:39
with respect to the city services
59:42
programs
59:43
activities or employment with the city
59:45
there's policy statements that certify
59:47
the city
59:48
does not discriminate
59:51
on the base of disability in its hiring
59:53
practices
59:55
and that it will comply with all
59:56
applicable regulations in addition upon
59:58
request city will
60:00
generally provide appropriate aids and
60:02
services leading to
60:03
effective communication for qualified
60:06
persons with disabilities so they can
60:08
participate equally
60:09
in the city's program services and
60:10
activities when necessary
60:13
the city will make all reasonable
60:15
modifications to its policies and
60:17
programs
60:18
to ensure that people with disabilities
60:20
have an equal opportunity to enjoy
60:22
uh those program services and activities
60:25
finally the policy defines a grievance
60:28
process which may be used by anyone who
60:30
wishes to file complaint
60:32
on the basis of discrimination of their
60:35
disability
60:36
in the provision of any of those
60:37
services activities or programs
60:42
okay great any questions from any of the
60:46
council members
60:49
liz you got a big grin on your face
60:53
you know i've just only been waiting 30
60:55
years i know
60:57
what's another 25 minutes
61:00
i know um
61:04
all right any comments from the public
61:06
dave yes mr lester
61:08
okay welcome back roy doesn't anybody
61:12
else ask questions
61:16
thanks under number four modifications
61:19
to policies and procedures the
61:21
third paragraph the ada does not
61:24
require the city to take any action that
61:26
would fundamentally alter the nature of
61:28
its programs or services
61:30
or impose an undue financial
61:33
administrative burden
61:34
who decides whether it's an undue
61:36
financial administrative burden
61:38
and what is the criteria
61:46
you muted donna oh okay sorry now you're
61:48
unmuted yeah
61:49
that was deliberate yeah
61:53
no um say the question again roy
61:57
okay it says that it doesn't require the
61:59
city to take any action you know to
62:01
enforce this law
62:02
that would impose an undue financial or
62:05
administrative burden
62:08
you know so it it it just seems to me if
62:10
you they say
62:11
well you're supposed to have this for
62:13
the ada
62:14
and the city says oh we can't afford
62:16
that that's good enough
62:17
who makes that decision and what is the
62:20
criteria to make that decision
62:22
well i would say first of all um we
62:25
would do everything in our power to make
62:27
sure that we comply
62:29
if it's something that we feel that
62:32
exceeds
62:33
uh a typical expenditure that would come
62:36
back to the council
62:38
to say it is going to cost us x y and z
62:41
to make this modification which we have
62:44
to modify
62:45
the the budget in in order to do that so
62:48
it has to be a significant amount of
62:50
money
62:53
for us today i guess i'm looking for a
62:56
little bit more specifics who makes that
62:58
decision
62:59
and what's the criteria when you say
63:02
significant
63:03
sydney significant to one person is
63:05
insignificant to another person
63:08
well if you have to do a budget
63:10
modification and we can't
63:11
we have to do a budget modification
63:13
that's that's a reason to go back to the
63:16
council
63:17
if we have the money within the budget
63:19
um just like we've done
63:20
other things and we can say something is
63:22
going to cost us 10 15
63:24
000 we have it we can move it from one
63:27
line item
63:28
to another to make sure we comply that
63:30
is what we we will do
63:32
it's a it was going to be you're
63:34
absolutely right what's
63:35
uh significant to one person is may not
63:38
be significant to another but it's the
63:40
budget that will dictate to us
63:42
what is considered significant and then
63:45
the decision has to be made by the
63:47
council because
63:48
we have to let the council know that we
63:50
either are moving
63:51
money or we need additional money to
63:54
comply
63:56
so or the council can decide that they
63:59
it's an undue burden correct
64:02
that would be the council's decision
64:05
yeah but i don't think they're going to
64:06
say it's an
64:06
undue burden nobody ever thinks that
64:10
well i've gone to i've gone through a
64:12
lot of councils not this one is
64:14
different but i have gone through a lot
64:15
of councils
64:16
okay mr lester can i say something
64:20
of course um if you remember some of the
64:24
uh
64:25
budget items some are in the capital
64:28
program
64:29
and some are not so i believe the level
64:32
of whatever the expenditure is
64:35
whether it's an ada compliant bathroom
64:38
or
64:38
so some items could be small and if some
64:42
items
64:43
could be extremely large it depends on
64:46
where
64:47
the funds could be coming from
64:50
whether it's capital whether it's
64:52
general fund or whether it's
64:54
currently in the budget currently but
64:58
i think to answer your question directly
65:00
tonight
65:01
uh we would have to know a more of a
65:03
specific
65:05
uh question at least i would
65:09
well the specific question mike is who
65:12
decides
65:13
and i guess donna said the council
65:15
decides and
65:16
what's an undue financial burden i guess
65:19
that the council would decide that
65:23
it's decided based yes they would decide
65:25
it but it's also based on the dollar
65:27
amount
65:28
oh that's that's what undo financial
65:31
burden means
65:32
yes all right yeah thank you
65:39
okay thanks roy anyone else uh dave
65:42
uh nope that's all we have right now
65:44
okay
65:46
on to the next one item six is a
65:48
resolution adopting a grant and
65:49
financial award policy for the city of
65:51
long beach
65:54
all right welcome back james all right
65:56
thank you
65:57
so late expenditure policy the um
66:00
the grant policy is generally considered
66:02
to also be a best practice so
66:04
the city receives numerous grants from
66:07
you know local sources from the state
66:09
from the federal government
66:10
uh so this policy intends to promote you
66:12
know long-term and strategic thinking
66:14
with respect to those grants
66:16
grant procedures are outlined uh
66:19
departmental responsibilities are
66:20
outlined
66:21
and that's to ensure proper oversight to
66:23
foster transparency
66:25
and accountability during that grant
66:27
process
66:28
uh and also to minimize the risk of
66:30
non-compliance
66:31
with you know certain grant you know
66:34
grant procedures
66:36
there are roles and responsibilities
66:37
that are discussed
66:39
for a variety of city officials some of
66:40
these include the city manager
66:42
city comptroller corporation council
66:45
various city employees
66:47
and a grant coordinator which would be
66:49
defined by the city manager
66:51
there's also some language which
66:53
discusses the optional establishment of
66:55
a grant committee
66:56
which would assist the city to analyze
66:58
grants before they're accepted
66:59
prior to them being renewed or continued
67:02
and that committee would provide
67:03
guidance and recommendations policy
67:06
further discusses and defines procedures
67:08
surrounding the life cycle of a grant
67:11
which is generally considered to be
67:13
broken into four categories
67:15
those are the pre-award phase the award
67:17
phase
67:18
the administration slash implementation
67:21
the grant
67:23
and the post award phase finally the
67:25
policy
67:26
references other applicable policies or
67:29
laws which city officials participating
67:32
in the grant
67:32
process should be familiar with
67:38
okay any questions from any of the
67:42
council members
67:44
um i just have one question john
67:48
um james there are different grants
67:52
um at different levels and different
67:55
dollar amounts
67:56
and also there's a a share
68:00
of a contribution that sometimes it's
68:03
maybe a hundred percent federal or state
68:06
or 90
68:07
75 50 50. there are
68:11
there are grants well
68:15
just so i understand it sometimes a
68:18
grant is there for let's say 200 000
68:20
but it would require a 50 match
68:24
so the review of this particular grant
68:29
would be a committee to decide whether
68:32
to move forward with that
68:36
i can answer that no no um no it
68:39
one of the the grant um policy says we
68:42
can have a committee
68:44
um if we need a committee really we have
68:47
our
68:47
own internal committee so if a grant
68:51
came up and it was for 200 000 and it
68:54
said it was a 50
68:56
match we would go to ena
68:59
and it would come to myself and we would
69:02
say where
69:02
are you getting the extra hundred
69:04
thousand dollars
69:06
to apply for this grant um
69:10
if it's that it's not in the budget then
69:12
we can't apply for it if we don't see
69:14
where the
69:15
hundred thousand dollars is going to
69:16
come from unless the hundred 000
69:19
is coming from another grant that we are
69:22
applying for
69:23
that we can offset the match thank you
69:26
donna
69:27
you're welcome all right any other
69:30
questions from the council members
69:34
all right should we just bring roy back
69:36
yes we actually have two questions and
69:38
uh roy is first hold on
69:40
okay right ahead okay
69:43
um the one thing that i couldn't find in
69:45
this
69:46
uh is what happens when the grant is
69:49
is over with on a
69:53
a situation where we have become used to
69:55
it and i'll give you an example
69:57
which happened to a lot of schools is
69:59
they got grants for pre-k
70:02
and people got used to it and for years
70:05
they got the money and then all of a
70:06
sudden the money was withdrawn
70:08
and they had to find the money now to
70:10
continue the pre-k
70:11
i think we also have grants that train
70:13
police officers and stuff like that and
70:16
you know long beach has gotten used to
70:18
grants and gotten used to public money
70:20
and then when it's withdrawn when we
70:22
suddenly don't have it
70:23
why wouldn't that be part of this study
70:26
of the future costs
70:27
of continuing the grant after the grants
70:30
withdrawn
70:32
um the the continuation of future costs
70:35
is called the budget
70:36
and so we don't do budgets on uh
70:40
what we think might come and if it is
70:44
something if we're doing a project based
70:47
on the grant
70:48
um and we don't get it the project
70:50
doesn't happen
70:52
and that's what a lot of people make
70:54
mistakes in when they're doing budget
70:56
they assume
70:57
that because they've gotten into the
70:59
past or they've gotten a certain amount
71:01
in the past
71:01
they will continue um ena can tell you
71:04
that is not how the budgets are done
71:07
we assume we won't assume that we are
71:09
actually getting that grant
71:11
until we know for sure so if it is a
71:14
project like i said before
71:16
if it's a project that the grant would
71:18
pay for
71:19
we don't get the grant the project does
71:21
not happen
71:23
so we don't we don't budget for that for
71:26
the continuation of whatever it is
71:28
let's say it's training of police
71:29
officers so we stop the training we
71:32
don't budget for it
71:33
the following year no if we budget for
71:36
it
71:37
if we budget it's an enhancement on
71:39
training police officers
71:41
we can't depend on that grant to fulfill
71:44
our training requirements
71:46
you can't we don't depend on grants as
71:49
revenue
71:50
if we don't understand that we don't
71:52
know for sure
71:53
we're getting that grant then how you
71:56
budget is that you budget to what you
71:58
know you can
71:59
pay for so at that point
72:03
you don't budget for it that's what i'm
72:05
not clear on when you
72:12
so roy hi good evening how are you hi hi
72:16
um i think that there is a little bit of
72:19
a disconnect
72:20
here because what we're trying to do
72:22
we're here
72:23
discussing the grants policy and
72:27
all this like cases that you were
72:31
talking about there outside of the scope
72:33
of this policy right there
72:35
when the grant is over what if so what
72:38
if the grant is over
72:40
then the city management has to decide
72:44
how to continue its operations
72:46
some of the grants that discontinue
72:50
the operations will not be continued
72:52
into the future
72:54
but some will so i think that
72:57
it's really on a one per one
73:01
like you you cannot put it into the
73:04
policy
73:05
um it's really you have to um assess it
73:09
individually based on first
73:12
the need right for the um
73:15
services or the goods that this grand
73:18
particular grant that
73:19
andeth was covering and
73:22
to compare it to the financial situation
73:26
of the city at that point because what
73:29
might sound like a good idea when you're
73:31
flash
73:32
with cash might not be such a good idea
73:35
when you're not
73:36
all you know all i'm saying is why not
73:39
have
73:40
a study part of this a study what it
73:43
would cost
73:43
the city to continue this particular
73:47
thing
73:47
as part of the post award phase
73:49
procedures
73:51
oh okay you mean okay
73:55
you know it just seems like it would be
73:57
planning for the future
73:58
parts all possibilities of the future
74:00
okay thank you
74:01
roy a good example of what you're
74:03
talking about if you remember
74:04
uh the safer grant the city had gotten i
74:07
don't know
74:08
eight maybe eight years ago and they
74:10
hired a couple of firefighters with the
74:12
safer grant
74:13
and then when the grant ran out the city
74:16
at the time made the decision they
74:18
didn't have the cash to keep those
74:20
firefighters on
74:22
and um i believe those firefighters
74:25
wound up getting laid off
74:26
so it's it's a decision that gets made
74:31
when the grants running out and this
74:32
city has to make a decision if it wants
74:34
to continue that and that's the donna's
74:36
point it would become a budget item then
74:38
no john i understand i'm just saying
74:40
that it's good it's good procedure to
74:43
look into the future
74:44
what happened what happens when the
74:46
money runs out
74:48
as part of this policy but listen i
74:51
whatever okay thank you thanks
74:57
all right who else dave we have judy
75:00
vining
75:01
okay hi judy
75:06
gotta unmute judy
75:12
okay yep there you go there you go okay
75:16
um you know for us we've been
75:20
we've had the city as a sub as a
75:22
contractor
75:23
under our grants for a long time
75:26
and the intent in terms of going forward
75:30
has always been
75:31
to establish
75:35
whether it's a program or whatever
75:39
that suddenly not suddenly but over time
75:42
is a value
75:44
to both the city as well as the
75:48
maybe the police department because we
75:50
paid police department overtime
75:52
and the federal thinking is that
75:55
over time given the money
75:59
funded through federal grants as
76:02
subcontractors
76:05
it then gets taken over or in the sense
76:08
of or adopted by
76:09
or enacted through the city
76:12
is that anywhere in this policy
76:20
i'm going to let you feel that donna i'm
76:23
sorry i don't quite
76:24
understand the question i think it was
76:26
similar to roy specifically
76:28
okay yeah give me a yeah okay over the
76:30
past
76:31
20 years one two three four
76:35
federal grants part of those grants
76:38
were um to pay for police overtime
76:43
where we had an mou with the city so
76:46
that they can increase
76:48
the number of
76:51
initiatives activities whatever it is
76:53
that was prescribed in the grant
76:56
um to better um
76:59
[Music]
77:00
address let's say under a drinking for
77:03
one of them
77:04
okay the idea or the
77:07
feeling or the the um
77:10
whatever behind the drug-free
77:13
communities grant was that
77:16
it becomes a process in the beginning
77:18
there is a match
77:21
between what the federal government
77:22
gives us and then what we have to match
77:25
and the match is usually it's not always
77:27
money it's in kind as well
77:31
so at the end of that process the hope
77:34
on the part of the federal government
77:36
who's funded us to do
77:38
this and police department activities
77:40
are part of it
77:41
um is that it becomes an ingrained
77:47
program within the police department
77:52
that is of value to the community and
77:54
then when there's no more federal
77:56
funding
77:57
they adopt it is that addressed or that
78:00
type of procedure addressed
78:02
in this policy you mean if if the money
78:06
is not given to your organization
78:09
because we're sub-recipient correct
78:10
right
78:12
so if and as a sub-recipient if we don't
78:15
receive the money anymore how do we
78:17
address it
78:18
right and the idea is it's over a
78:20
10-year period so
78:22
the money gradually diminishes right
78:25
that's a budget
78:26
that we have to budget for that mm-hmm
78:29
yeah this isn't for grants that we would
78:31
receive
78:32
i understand yeah so there are other
78:34
grants in fact that operate like ours
78:36
too
78:36
yeah if the city is a sub-recipient and
78:39
so
78:40
what we would do is that if for reason
78:42
say just like you just
78:44
the money starts to diminish every year
78:46
but it's going to cost
78:48
it's going to halt in february okay so
78:51
that's the next
78:52
there goes to a budget issue because if
78:55
the city the police department wants to
78:58
continue
78:59
doing the same thing that your grant
79:02
provided to the city then we have to
79:05
budget for it
79:06
okay yeah that becomes a budget issue
79:08
that's not a grant issue
79:10
okay but it also becomes a philosophical
79:13
issue
79:14
in terms of um
79:17
you know i get a question from my
79:19
accountant like
79:20
we're paying the police department to do
79:22
what they're supposed to do anyway that
79:23
doesn't make any sense
79:24
well it does because that's what the
79:26
grant you know dictates
79:29
but it's it's supposed to be a gradual
79:31
procedure
79:32
so that the value plus
79:35
what's been established i'm sure you
79:37
have that with other organizations as
79:39
well
79:40
and i just wondered where in this policy
79:43
this fits
79:44
if we again if it's something to do that
79:47
we had a grant
79:48
and the grant was we were no longer
79:51
going to receive the monies
79:53
and the project would still want to
79:55
continue
79:56
to be budgeted for that which is over
79:59
from a
80:00
grant policy to a budget policy no i get
80:03
that what i
80:04
i guess what i'm saying or or trying to
80:06
explain
80:07
is that for the federal government
80:10
with say the drug free communities grant
80:13
it's a gradual process so it doesn't
80:15
become an abrupt
80:17
okay february money's gone
80:20
and we didn't plan for it right
80:23
i understand what you're saying but as
80:25
the money goes
80:27
say for example we get a grand four
80:29
thousand dollars a year
80:31
year two we still want to do the program
80:33
it's going to cost exactly
80:35
but only you're going to get 750
80:39
so 250 has to go into the budget
80:42
no i hear what you're saying and i
80:44
assume no that would not be
80:45
that would not be in the policy but i am
80:47
saying within the policy
80:51
there should be some acknowledgement
80:53
that
80:56
some grants are structured so that it's
80:58
a gradual process
81:01
of diminishing funds while the program
81:04
continues
81:05
so if it's valuable or of value to the
81:08
community
81:10
so it becomes something that eventually
81:13
gets taken over by the community
81:15
and judy that's regarded by the federal
81:17
government taking over
81:19
okay
81:22
all right thanks judy
81:27
all right dave do we have anyone else uh
81:29
no that's that's all we have right
81:31
for this item okay so let's move on to
81:33
item
81:34
seven item seven is a resolution
81:36
authorizing the city manager to enter
81:38
into a license and
81:39
operating agreement for the management
81:41
of a day care center with the sole
81:43
responsible proposer
81:46
that is mr joseph lupo
81:54
okay
81:56
all right hi joe
82:01
joe you're on muted go ahead
82:08
you guys hear him nope maybe
82:12
maybe he's watching the steelers game no
82:14
no i'm here
82:15
oh there he is i'm not even a steelers
82:19
fan
82:19
sorry well somebody has to be yeah yeah
82:22
let's john do it yeah right so
82:24
hello everyone how are you um as you're
82:27
all aware
82:28
the magnolia center has been vacant uh
82:30
for some time now
82:32
as you may recall back in july the city
82:34
released an rfp for the operation and
82:37
management of a daycare facility to be
82:39
conducted
82:39
at the magnolia center now the sole uh
82:43
proposer of that uh
82:46
in response to the rfp excuse me was the
82:49
baryon florence friedberg
82:50
jewish community center inc or jcc for
82:54
short
82:55
the jcc is headquartered in oceanside
82:58
and it has been providing daycare
82:59
services
83:01
to the long island south shore
83:02
communities for nearly i'm sorry for
83:04
over 50 years
83:06
with respect to the rfp and the proposal
83:09
in response
83:10
our office was tasked with assisting in
83:13
the contract negotiations
83:15
and the preparation assisting in the
83:16
preparation of the contract related to
83:18
that rfp
83:21
now the licensing fee schedule is set on
83:24
an
83:24
escalating scale for an initial term of
83:26
five years
83:28
and there is also an option for an
83:30
additional two year renewal
83:32
but that extension period is at the sole
83:34
discretion of the city
83:36
um with respect to any terms of the
83:39
contract or any questions
83:40
that anyone may have i'm more than happy
83:42
to uh
83:43
to address any questions
83:48
all right any questions from the council
83:49
members
83:52
all right what i what i one of the
83:54
things i think it's important
83:56
to point out to people what what this is
83:58
doing is the
83:59
the city was effectively in the daycare
84:02
business and was losing their shirt on
84:05
it
84:05
we were spending a huge amount of money
84:09
and collecting in fees for the daycare a
84:12
small fraction of what it cost the city
84:14
to run this program
84:18
it also created huge liability issues
84:21
for the city as well should something
84:23
happen
84:24
and then all the criteria that and the
84:27
licenses that have to be maintained to
84:28
run a daycare so what we're doing here
84:30
is
84:31
we're still having a daycare but now the
84:33
city's getting out of the daycare
84:35
business and we're actually going to
84:36
collect
84:37
rent on the facility so going from
84:40
operating
84:41
massively in the red on this thing we're
84:44
still going to have day care and the
84:45
city is actually going to come out in
84:47
the black
84:47
on this deal financially so um
84:51
it's kind of important to note this is
84:53
this is real good for the taxpayers it's
84:55
still
84:56
we still have daycare and but now
84:59
it's not being subsidized by the
85:01
taxpayers anymore
85:07
and uh so now that i said that like i
85:09
said any
85:10
before we go to the public so anything
85:12
from the other council members
85:15
or anyone else okay
85:18
dave let's hear from roy
85:22
roy you're on muted dad okay um
85:26
john i i hear what you're saying and
85:28
it's a wonderful thing
85:30
to not lose money but i'm looking at the
85:33
budget
85:35
and we budgeted for expenditures
85:38
uh magnolia community death center
85:41
daycare
85:41
182 9116
85:45
for last year for the last fiscal year
85:48
the
85:49
income on that the revenue hold on a
85:52
second
85:53
was uh hold on a second
85:56
about uh 400
86:00
uh one second 425
86:04
000 that's a line
86:07
uh a zero zero twelve
86:10
uh forty two one three so that seems to
86:14
me
86:15
according to just these numbers that we
86:17
made 242
86:19
000 on that and i'm gonna let
86:22
that's a nina question that's an ina
86:24
question guys
86:26
hi roy hi again um so
86:29
um what um the operations
86:33
of magnolia center what you see
86:36
in a budget uh for the department number
86:40
7330 yes
86:43
right so um that that
86:46
just uh salaries of some of the staff
86:51
um in order to evaluate operations
86:54
of the center you have to combine it
86:57
with
86:58
some of the line items actually in
87:01
a department 7310 uh
87:05
which is the youth and family services
87:09
right so i'm sure that you
87:12
like we had four
87:15
um i think they're called program
87:18
specialists
87:19
uh that are involved in a program and
87:22
then there was
87:22
about um a director clerical staff
87:27
so really it was more than 135 thousand
87:30
dollars um
87:32
so uh but when i look at it um i think
87:36
that um you really need to combine it
87:40
uh with the like i said with the youth
87:43
and family
87:43
services and um
87:46
[Music]
87:48
and uh was to um incorporate
87:52
uh the fringe benefits so when we
87:55
evaluated uh this operation
87:58
it was depending on the year but from
88:02
year to year
88:03
um the program was losing about
88:06
from 200 to 300 000 um
88:10
and you would ask me probably your next
88:13
question would be then
88:14
why are these people accounted in a
88:17
different department
88:18
because a lot of the programs that are
88:20
run in the youth and family center
88:23
uh they are very similar to what's done
88:27
in magnolia in terms of dealing with the
88:30
children and the same staff
88:33
could be involved in one program in the
88:36
morning
88:37
and another program um in afternoon
88:41
so i guess here you would just have to
88:44
trust
88:45
us on that and uh um
88:49
that's the worst thing to say uh believe
88:52
me
88:54
that's the worst thing but you know what
88:56
you can do a very quick reasonable step
88:59
reasonableness testing like i said
89:02
and um given the fact that we have
89:06
four full-time programs specialists are
89:08
teachers um
89:10
i'm i'm sure that it's pretty quickly
89:13
adapted to more than one authority
89:16
and that you don't need to trust me on
89:19
yeah i look
89:20
i'm just looking at the budget the
89:21
revenue in the budget
89:23
you know you have fifty five thousand a
89:25
hundred fifty thousand hundred eighty
89:26
five thousand two hundred thousand
89:28
seventy five thousand and four hundred
89:30
twenty five thousand
89:31
on these on these on the budget twenty
89:34
twenty bucks
89:37
we budgeted a million dollars but in
89:39
actual
89:40
revenues came at 652 000
89:44
roy also in 2019 actual revenues for the
89:48
whole for
89:49
all the youth and family services
89:51
including magnolia
89:52
early child care came at 870 to about
89:58
873
89:59
000 while the total expenses for
90:02
operating those programs including
90:05
fringes
90:06
were 1.6 million okay i just wish i
90:10
could see that in the budget
90:12
that's all i mean it's not in a budget
90:13
it's in a financial statement i mean
90:16
we're talking about the budget could be
90:18
we
90:20
i guess um it's now a common knowledge
90:24
that
90:25
budgets before this fiscal year 2021
90:28
budget
90:29
um were not 100 realistic right
90:32
revenues were um overestimated
90:36
so when we're looking at this um
90:39
budget for 2020 at over a million
90:41
dollars
90:43
um the actual um
90:47
um revenue collected was less than 700
90:50
000. okay then let me just ask you this
90:53
question
90:54
in the revenue of this year's budget
90:56
this year's budget
90:58
you have in the expenditures you have
91:00
youth and family services at 140
91:03
and magnolia community center daycare at
91:06
182.
91:09
where do you get 1.6 million
91:14
are you talking about fiscal 21 budget
91:17
or fiscal 2020
91:19
the last budget 2021.
91:22
we don't have the 2122 budget yet
91:25
no the last budget you put out
91:28
the adopted 2020 budget
91:32
2021 okay the adopted
91:35
2021 budget you have to look at the
91:39
total
91:40
between the total magnolia community
91:43
center that daycare
91:45
you're talking about revenues are
91:46
expensive expenses
91:49
expenses so you have a hundred and
91:51
eighty thousand dollars in expenses
91:56
magnolia community center day care 180
91:59
and about 140 in
92:02
youth and family services okay
92:05
so it for the total of um
92:11
um 322.
92:14
yeah so um
92:18
what is so so what what's the question
92:22
you said that the total expenditures
92:24
were point six million
92:27
i think t roy i think we're talking
92:29
about the year we're talking about right
92:30
now
92:31
1.6 million dollars is fiscal 2020
92:36
is the last fiscal year
92:40
the year that ended june 30th 2012
92:44
right 20 20 20. okay
92:47
this fiscal year we budgeted in revenues
92:50
about 516 000
92:54
both revenues and expenses for this
92:57
programs were budgeted at about half a
92:59
million dollars
93:01
we are on very well and trying to reach
93:04
half a million dollars
93:06
in terms of the expenses however we are
93:09
not
93:09
on trying to reach half a million
93:11
dollars in revenues
93:13
um i'm sure if you have the budget open
93:16
in front of you
93:17
you can look at the um
93:22
you can look at the revenue for the
93:24
camps right and i
93:26
think i'm talking for my memory but i
93:28
think we had about 175
93:31
000 budgeted there for the mini cam
93:35
for lido that didn't happen at all
93:40
oh we knew that that's why we borrowed
93:42
the 4.2 million dollars we knew covid
93:44
was going to affect all those things
93:48
um
93:59
to finish fiscal 2020. because of all
94:02
these problems
94:04
no all right well she's talking about
94:06
the the 4.2 million dollars was borrowed
94:09
for fiscal year ending june 30th 2020.
94:13
the budget she's talking about is for
94:15
the fiscal year ending june 30th 2021
94:22
how could we have been short that much
94:25
when covert hadn't really hit us until
94:30
march
94:32
well i you know roy i i i i think that
94:35
what we need to do
94:36
is we need to set up a zoom call so we
94:39
can go over the budget with you
94:41
uh so you could better understand the
94:43
budget and you can better understand
94:45
youth and family services
94:47
and how the expenses are really uh
94:50
gathered
94:51
uh yeah i would like that because i look
94:53
at i'm just looking at the budget
94:55
that's the only thing that we people
94:56
have i i
94:58
know the public all only has this budget
95:00
to go on
95:01
and it doesn't make sense what you're
95:03
talking about and well not you
95:04
you know that we're spending 1.6 million
95:07
here but all right he was talking about
95:09
the previous year
95:10
the 1.6 million was the previous year
95:12
roy so we
95:14
will do is you know i'll call you and
95:16
we'll set up the zoom calls to go over
95:18
the budget with you
95:19
so that we can answer any questions that
95:21
you may have
95:22
okay thank you thanks all right
95:26
anyone else dave um can i just add one
95:29
more thing please
95:30
sure good um you know mr lester another
95:33
thing that uh
95:34
you know to take into consideration sir
95:36
um as you said we are in a post-covered
95:39
world now so we're in a world where
95:40
enrollments in schools are down
95:42
drastically
95:44
most many students are learning
95:46
virtually
95:47
so under that model in this new world
95:49
that we're living in
95:50
it you know it only goes to to reason
95:53
that
95:54
enrollments and day daycare facilities
95:55
are also gonna you know kind of suffer
95:58
uh the same thing that school
95:59
enrollments are and they're gonna be
96:00
down
96:01
so at this point now i mean you know as
96:03
mr bendo said earlier even
96:05
just with respect to limiting the city's
96:07
liability limiting the city's liability
96:09
on what appears to be
96:11
is going to be you know a uh a decreased
96:14
enrollment of
96:15
uh of these services it really does uh
96:18
make sense and serve the city's purpose
96:20
sir
96:23
and we're still provided the service is
96:25
still being provided but the city's not
96:27
taking a financial bath on it
96:30
absolutely and that's good for the
96:31
taxpayers
96:33
so uh dave did we have anyone else
96:37
was it that was it that was it
96:41
okay he's gonna keep you on your toes
96:43
xena
96:44
so um
96:47
okay i know that
96:52
all right let's move on to item eight
96:54
item eight is a resolution authorizing
96:56
the city manager to negotiate agreements
96:58
with student swim incorporated long
97:00
island swimming limited
97:01
aka long island aquatic club for swim
97:03
programs
97:04
at the city's aquatic center
97:08
okay i think we need to make an
97:09
amendment to this
97:11
um should we get that out of the way and
97:13
then we'll do
97:14
the discussion it was for both this item
97:17
and item nine
97:18
right i believe uh rich
97:21
um i'm sorry
97:25
do you want to explain it or you just
97:26
want us to do it
97:28
i can explain um well these uh both
97:31
items eight and nine i'll probably
97:32
repeat myself when we call item 9.
97:34
um the recommended modification or
97:37
amendment
97:38
is in the resolved portion rich yes this
97:41
is less can you just
97:42
move a little forward so we can hear you
97:44
better better
97:45
thank you okay uh for item number eight
97:49
uh in the resolve portion uh the
97:52
recommended amendment or modification
97:54
would be
97:55
where it says uh the city manager b and
97:58
she is hereby
98:00
is authorized to negotiate agreements
98:01
just add um negotiate
98:03
and enter into agreements
98:08
and rich we want to do this for both
98:09
items correct uh that would be my
98:11
recommendation
98:14
uh can we amend both in one
98:17
voter we have to do it for each one
98:20
individually
98:22
it's the same language going into the
98:24
same location in
98:26
both items if you want to do it
98:27
separately we can do it separately uh
98:29
yeah why don't we do it separately just
98:31
to
98:32
make sure since it's uh uh
98:36
kind of resolutions all right
98:40
does everybody want to make the motion
98:41
to add add this language into the
98:43
resolve clause
98:44
yeah i'll make the motion go ahead scott
98:46
i'll second it
98:49
voting councilmember de laurie yes
98:51
councilmember mandel
98:53
yes councilmember charleston yes uh
98:55
president bendo
98:56
yes okay
99:00
okay uh so
99:02
[Music]
99:05
who do we have uh
99:08
rich are you talking on this one yeah i
99:09
can speak on this one sure okay am i
99:12
coming in okay
99:14
gotta ask liz better
99:17
thank you sir no problem um sorry about
99:19
that so
99:20
i won't belabor i mean this is all in
99:22
the resolution itself but as everyone
99:24
knows and as
99:25
john mcnally's already stated uh earlier
99:27
on in the city manager's update
99:29
uh we went out to to rfp
99:32
for swim programs at uh at the wreck
99:36
and scoot and swim and liak came in
99:40
in terms of responses again this
99:43
resolution is for the purpose of
99:45
uh negotiating and entering into
99:46
agreements with uh with both lyac
99:48
and the student swim team essentially
99:52
uh steps after this resolution is that
99:54
myself
99:55
the city manager and the wreck will be
99:58
going to the table with uh
99:59
scootin and liak hammering out uh
100:01
agreements uh
100:02
as quickly and as uh thoroughly as
100:05
possible
100:06
to get everyone back in the pool um kobe
100:08
willing you know
100:12
yeah so it's important to note and uh
100:14
john mcnally talked this
100:15
about this earlier what we're doing here
100:16
is we're getting away from
100:19
the old practice of verbal and handshake
100:22
agreements that then create
100:24
big liability issues for the city
100:26
because nothing
100:27
is defined in writing
100:31
and everything's in a gray area so now
100:35
everything's going to be done properly
100:37
everybody's going to have contracts
100:39
um you know proper
100:43
rfps and things like that and so that's
100:45
what this is doing
100:46
for the all these programs at the
100:48
recreation center
100:50
right the goal here is to get you know
100:52
uh move forward with solid agreements
100:54
with our you know
100:55
third-party vendors uh obviously be in
100:58
accordance with procurement law and uh
101:00
give the city and its constituency the
101:02
recreation it wants and deserves
101:06
adding accountability to the process
101:09
and transparency so uh okay
101:12
any questions from the council members
101:15
um i just have a comment uh john okay
101:19
um if there are multiple people that are
101:21
looking to ask questions
101:23
um i would just ask for anybody who
101:26
hasn't
101:27
spoken yet to go first
101:33
are you asking roy to wait
101:34
[Music]
101:37
all right it's up today anyone else from
101:39
the council
101:41
all right dave who we got nobody nobody
101:45
wow no hands raised okay
101:49
you got off rich he was
101:52
all right uh let's move on to item nine
101:55
item nine is a resolution authorizing
101:56
the city manager to negotiate agreements
101:58
for various recreation programs
102:00
and um i guess we'll call for the same
102:02
amendment to add
102:04
the uh and enter into it to the resolve
102:07
clause who will make that motion
102:11
i will thank you second
102:14
i will voting councilmember delorey
102:17
yes councilmember mandel yes
102:20
councilmember tristan
102:21
yes president bendo yes okay
102:25
continue all right you gonna do this one
102:27
too rich
102:28
sure um kind of repeating myself but
102:30
again we went out to rfp
102:32
uh on the various recreation programs
102:34
that can be held at the wreck
102:36
um did it in a very timely manner
102:40
uh pretty quick to my uh to my opinion
102:42
we had five vendors submit proposals uh
102:45
meeting the uh i guess the outlines of
102:46
that rfp um
102:48
some of the most of them were uh
102:50
individuals that were third-party
102:52
vendors with us
102:53
we did have one responsive
102:57
proposal that is unique and interesting
102:59
called cook grow and learn
103:01
curious to see how that develops but
103:03
essentially the same exact
103:05
steps are going to apply here as it did
103:06
with the with item number eight
103:08
we're going to sit at the table with uh
103:10
with all of these uh
103:11
vendors hamlet agreements and get them
103:14
back to uh
103:15
recreating as it were
103:19
okay um one of the
103:23
uh well let's see one of the vendors
103:26
uh i believe we we still hadn't named
103:28
the city
103:29
as a uh additional insured right
103:33
friends of long beach hockey so will
103:35
that be taken care of during the
103:38
during the uh the talks yes so
103:41
essentially all of these all these
103:43
agreements are contingent upon the
103:44
proper insurance the proper defense and
103:46
identification
103:47
um we just want to ensure that the city
103:49
is protected its residents are protected
103:51
and um right because we didn't see any
103:53
paperwork uh insurance paperwork from
103:55
cook grow learn either
103:57
right but those will be part of the uh
104:00
the process
104:00
yeah okay i could definitely update the
104:02
city council as uh you know as i receive
104:04
those documents
104:05
sure all right any questions from the
104:08
council members
104:13
okay let's see if roy is going to get
104:15
rich on this one
104:17
okay i have tw i have two um two folks
104:19
with their hands raised we'll start with
104:21
peter roberts
104:23
okay hi peter hi how are you tonight
104:27
got a question so this is a
104:29
[Music]
104:31
authorization to enter into a contract
104:33
are the final contracts going to be
104:34
brought up before a council meeting to
104:36
be approved or
104:38
is this just going to be done and
104:39
nobody's going to know what the details
104:41
of the contracts are
104:43
second of all how does the contracts
104:46
for the people in the skating rink have
104:49
to do with the proposed rfp that
104:51
supposedly is coming out
104:53
for the concession yet to take over the
104:56
rink
104:59
okay um good evening mr roberts so to
105:02
your first question
105:04
um the way this resolution works is is
105:07
that the council would be authorizing
105:09
the city manager and obviously her team
105:11
to negotiate agreements and enter into
105:14
them with these third-party vendors
105:16
um there'd be no there would be no
105:17
subsequent step uh
105:19
involving the council in the second
105:20
meeting for this particular resolution
105:23
so your second question regarding the
105:26
i believe the ice arena rfp i guess
105:28
that's what you're referring to is that
105:29
right
105:30
correct okay so with that one
105:32
essentially
105:33
the contemplation here is that these
105:37
particular
105:38
these particular third-party vendors
105:39
would be notified that
105:41
uh that rfp is forthcoming i think
105:43
they're all aware of it at this point i
105:44
think we maybe have to notify one of the
105:46
awardees
105:47
so essentially once this uh once these
105:50
agreements are hashed out those
105:51
agreements will include that caveat that
105:54
if and when an rfp results in an award
105:56
to someone to operate the ice arena
105:59
they will have to enter into third party
106:01
contracts with that uh
106:02
with that operator in order to continue
106:04
to move forward
106:07
so it's not like we're hiding the ball
106:08
on this we're actually trying to be as
106:09
forthcoming as possible
106:10
well the rfp says that it's for a term
106:13
of one year with the city for too often
106:14
so
106:15
hypothetically speaking if you put it
106:16
out to bid next week
106:18
and somebody took over in just
106:20
arbitrarily say april
106:22
where does that leave those people those
106:25
concession years that
106:27
bid i mean essentially it would be the
106:30
same concept right so the idea is is
106:32
you're being awarded this rfp to you
106:35
know operate out of the ice arena
106:37
with the knowledge that there may be
106:39
someone subsequently who's going to end
106:40
up operating this and controlling it
106:43
um so there's going to be some
106:44
discussion to be had with all of these
106:45
vendors
106:46
and we're going to get together with
106:47
them and at least you know hatch those
106:49
things out
106:51
okay because like i said before the rfp
106:53
says that
106:54
it's for a term of a one-year contract
106:56
with the city's option for two
106:58
additional one years
107:01
right what's the maximum term of one
107:02
year well
107:04
that's not it one year could be one year
107:05
could be month to month one year it
107:07
could be six months it could be three
107:08
months
107:10
so it's not a contract it's not a
107:12
calendar year then
107:13
we we don't have a contract yet is what
107:14
i'm saying so no it's not a calendar
107:16
year
107:18
you know from the start there a
107:19
definitive start date and definitive end
107:21
date
107:22
as a year that's something that we have
107:25
to negotiate
107:26
and discuss okay thank you
107:30
no problem okay
107:33
and who's next dave rory lester
107:36
okay right you're on muted go ahead okay
107:40
um i guess when you guys first took over
107:43
or when you were running you were
107:45
talking about
107:46
putting the decisions back in the hands
107:48
of the city council
107:51
i'm not that i don't have faith in donna
107:53
i have a ton of faith in donna
107:54
but i don't understand now why you would
107:57
allow something like this where we're
107:59
talking about five
108:00
different contracts all to be negotiated
108:03
and entered into i can understand the
108:06
negotiations
108:07
but you guys have no say in this and
108:09
that's basically why you were elected
108:12
not to pass the decisions on to somebody
108:14
else to make these decisions
108:17
and nobody's going to know anything
108:19
about these contracts
108:21
nobody's going to see them beforehand
108:23
they're just going to be
108:24
the city's going to be bound by them
108:27
with
108:28
absolutely no disclosure
108:31
why well it just doesn't sound like what
108:33
you ran on
108:34
well first nobody the the public doesn't
108:38
see contracts before they're voted on
108:40
that what they
108:41
see is that a contract is being voted on
108:43
that's a
108:45
b as you just heard from rich these are
108:49
sort of akin to month to month because
108:50
there's an rfp
108:52
coming out for
108:55
for somebody to take over operations of
108:57
the ice arena
108:58
so what this is doing is this is
109:00
allowing the city
109:02
to have programming back in the ice
109:05
arena
109:06
uh while the contracts are being
109:08
negotiated because right now it's the
109:09
kids that are paying the price
109:11
for this past practice of these
109:14
handshake agreements and stuff
109:15
so we're trying to make it so the kids
109:17
can get back in the ice
109:19
and back in the pool uh and get their
109:21
programs going again
109:25
and and why can't the city council be
109:28
the ones that decide
109:29
that this is a good deal or not a good
109:31
deal
109:32
i mean yes i can understand you want to
109:36
get the kids back there i don't
109:37
understand why
109:38
cooking lessons have to be in the ice
109:40
arena but regardless
109:42
um i understand what you're saying but
109:45
why would you guys not want to make that
109:47
decision
109:49
why would you not want any say in that
109:51
decision
109:53
we're having a say in a decision with
109:55
this vote
109:58
yeah and the decision is i'm not going
110:00
to
110:01
even look at it i'm going to let
110:03
somebody else make the decision
110:07
if you want to look at it that way
110:08
that's fine we have a professional city
110:10
manager
110:11
that knows what she's doing and isn't
110:14
following
110:14
some of the past practices that gave the
110:17
star away
110:18
i i agree i agree as long as she's there
110:21
i do have faith
110:25
i just wanted to mention the cook and
110:26
learn is online
110:30
so what john just said we needed to get
110:32
this
110:33
done because we're getting the kids in
110:35
the ice arena
110:37
yes yes but the cooking learn just
110:39
happened to be another program that came
110:41
in
110:41
but i just wanted you to know that the
110:43
cooking learn was
110:45
online yes that's what it says yeah
110:48
that's
110:48
what we were trying to do yeah we're
110:50
trying to get um the ice
110:52
arena and get the kids back in and on
110:55
the ice
110:56
um because we had to close down for a
110:58
couple of different reasons
111:00
um it's just not me it's a team which
111:03
includes uh corporation council
111:05
and procurement department and uh
111:09
also ena and i'm sure everybody that's
111:12
been on the call knows that ina also is
111:14
going to make sure that
111:16
we're doing everything in the best
111:17
interests of the city um
111:20
i understand what your question that
111:22
you're asking and i'm i'm happy to say
111:24
that the council has
111:26
faith is that the team that we have in
111:28
place now is going to
111:30
make sure our eyes are dotted and t's
111:32
are crossed
111:33
any any other situation it would be that
111:36
we would not bring this
111:38
until december um for
111:41
everything to be passed and so what
111:43
we're trying to do
111:44
is we're trying to tell the council
111:48
everything that's going on and then
111:50
allow us to finish
111:52
all of the negotiations to make sure
111:54
everything falls into place
111:56
as far as the ice arena um when the
111:59
contracts the
112:00
individuals that were at with the ice
112:02
arena it was month to month
112:04
and it's been known that the city is
112:06
trying to get the rfp together to
112:09
send out to um see
112:12
to have someone come in and take over
112:14
the ice arena
112:15
so that those contracts are really month
112:18
to month and i believe they were ending
112:19
in april as well
112:21
we have been really working hard on
112:23
making sure this new ice arena rfp
112:26
goes out is proper um as well as
112:30
taking into consideration some project
112:32
work
112:33
um that we had already received grant
112:35
money for that we also
112:37
complete that so roy again thank you uh
112:40
for your faith and know that um and i'm
112:43
happy that the council has the faith in
112:45
us
112:46
and that we're not trying to do anything
112:48
uh with contracts that
112:50
would hurt the city at all i know you
112:56
wouldn't
112:59
okay anything else right no no
113:02
okay great uh anyone else dave
113:06
uh colleen ferrick okay hi colleen
113:12
hi how are you good i just had a quick
113:15
question i'm not really um
113:17
too up on all the policies procedures
113:20
whatever
113:21
how long does this usually take though
113:23
to get it in place
113:24
um my son's used to being on the ice
113:27
like seven days a week he's really
113:29
suffering without it
113:31
i know that they just opened up for the
113:33
sticks and pucks and
113:34
different things but i'm just curious
113:37
like
113:38
how long does this usually take
113:41
uh i'm gonna i'm gonna let donald trump
113:43
but i'm guessing once this is passed
113:45
it's
113:45
if this is passed tonight um things will
113:47
go back into place
113:48
starting tomorrow so it depends on how
113:51
long it takes those individual companies
113:53
to get back
113:54
up and running but we can call them
113:56
tomorrow and say it's a goal
113:58
oh great because i know we'll be up and
114:00
running then thank you
114:02
oh you're welcome makes me happy thanks
114:05
okay great bye dundo
114:08
bye all right anyone else dave
114:13
that's all i show right now okay let's
114:16
move on to item 10.
114:18
and finally item 10 is a resolution
114:20
authorizing publication for hearing of
114:22
an ordinance to amend the code of
114:23
ordinances of the city of long beach
114:25
regarding the environmental advisory
114:26
board this items for publication only
114:28
hearing will be held december 1st at 7
114:30
pm
114:31
on to the voting portion we're going to
114:34
go to item
114:35
two which is an ordinance amend the code
114:37
of ordinances of the city of long beach
114:38
regarding motor vehicles and traffic
114:40
we'll introduce a move the adoption of
114:41
this item i will
114:43
second i will
114:47
voting council member delorey yes
114:49
councilmember mandel
114:50
yes council member trusted yes president
114:54
benda
114:54
yes item four is a resolution adopting
114:58
an expenditure policy for the city of
115:00
long beach i want you to remove the
115:01
adoption of this item
115:04
i will second
115:08
i will voting councilmember delorey
115:12
yes councilmember mandel yes
115:14
councilmember treston
115:16
yes president bendall yes
115:19
item five is a resolution to doubt
115:21
adopting an americans with disabilities
115:23
act policy for the city of long beach
115:25
would you just remove the adoption of
115:26
this item i will on
115:29
30 years three months and 23 days later
115:32
i will who will second and uh two
115:36
seconds after
115:37
that i will voting councilmember delury
115:41
happily yes councilmember mandel yes
115:44
councilmember truston yes president
115:47
bendo
115:47
yes and item six is a resolution
115:50
adopting a grant and financial
115:52
award policy for the city of long beach
115:54
would you just remove the adoption of
115:55
this item
115:56
i will second
115:59
i will voting council member delury
116:02
yes councilmember mandel yes
116:04
councilmember tristan
116:06
yes president bendo yes
116:09
item seven is a resolution authorizing
116:11
the city manager to enter to a license
116:13
and operating agreement for the
116:14
management of the daycare center
116:16
with the sole responsible proposer would
116:18
you just remove the adoption of this
116:20
item
116:21
i will second
116:24
i will voting council member deleri
116:28
yes councilmember mandel yes
116:31
councilmember truston yes president
116:33
bendo
116:34
yes and item 8 is resolution authorizing
116:38
the city manager to negotiate agreements
116:40
with student swim incorporated
116:42
and long island swimming limited aka
116:44
long island aquatic club
116:45
for swim programs at the city's aquatic
116:47
center which just removed the adoption
116:48
of this item as amended
116:51
i will have of every swim parent out
116:54
there
116:55
i shall second
116:58
voting council member to lurie yes
117:01
councilmember mandel
117:02
yes councilmember trusted yes president
117:05
pendo
117:06
let's get the kids back in the pool yes
117:09
and
117:10
item nine is a resolution authorizing
117:12
the city manager to negotiate agreements
117:14
for various recreation programs
117:16
which just move the adoption of this
117:18
item as amended
117:20
hi well uh police council however
117:26
whichever you want pick your order okay
117:28
i have you down a second
117:29
all right okay council member delirie
117:32
yes councilmember mandel
117:33
yes councilmember tresten yes president
117:37
bendo
117:38
yes and finally item 10 is a resolution
117:40
authorizing publication for hearing of
117:42
an ordinance to amend the code of
117:43
ordinances of the city of long beach
117:45
regarding
117:45
environmental advisory board let's just
117:48
remove the adoption of this item
117:50
i will second
117:53
i will voting councilmember delorey
117:57
i'm happy that we have people out there
118:00
that are
118:01
willing to uh be part of this board
118:04
and i vote yes councilmember mandel
118:08
yes councilmember truston yes
118:11
uh president bendo yes
118:14
we'll make a motion to close the meeting
118:18
i will second
118:21
i will voting council member delury
118:27
yes councilmember mandel yes
118:29
councilmember trusted
118:31
yes and president bendo one meeting
118:35
mike's gonna say no
118:36
but i'll say yes okay
118:42
all right on to good and welfare uh so
118:47
probably everybody knows the deal but
118:48
you get three minutes
118:50
uh talk about your whatever you'd like
118:52
to talk about
118:53
and um and let's uh
118:57
see who's as a reminder folks use the
119:00
raise your hand function and we'll
119:02
get to each one of you and i have ann
119:05
conway hey okay and you're on mute from
119:09
our school board
119:15
hi everybody can you hear me it's annie
119:17
conway hi annie
119:19
yep hi how are you how are you how is
119:21
everybody
119:22
um i just wanted to um
119:25
first of all what a great meeting um
119:28
it was wonderful listening to all of you
119:30
as it usually is
119:32
and i don't want to take up much of your
119:34
time but
119:35
i just wanted to give a big thank you
119:39
to all of you um as some of you may know
119:42
on november 7th over
119:45
over 20 kids from our long beach school
119:48
district
119:49
got together and they celebrated
119:54
dr martin luther king's visits to long
119:56
beach
119:57
by presenting a plaque in his honor
120:00
now this project was presented to the
120:03
city council back in february
120:06
and you know mr bender miss trustin
120:09
you were also very welcoming and pleased
120:12
with the project and you supported us
120:14
throughout the whole thing so i really
120:15
want to thank you very much
120:17
um it the kids worked
120:20
very hard for this project um
120:24
thanks to miss truston and miss monique
120:26
power we were able to use
120:27
the rec center for practices following
120:30
covet of
120:31
following covert practices of course but
120:33
the kids were able to practice with the
120:35
podium
120:36
mr joe brand made sure that we had the
120:39
space available so that we could use
120:40
social distancing
120:42
when needed and then on november 7th
120:46
the plaque was presented on the
120:48
boardwalk
120:49
tommy cantor john mcnally sean o'neill
120:52
and many of the peop members of the csc
120:55
were there
120:56
they helped to set up the podium they
120:57
helped to set up the mic
120:59
they installed the plaque and the
121:02
ceremony itself
121:03
was just such a wonderful sight to see
121:06
you had to see
121:07
our students they so proudly spoke in
121:10
front of a crowd
121:11
of so many and they really showed their
121:14
ideas of
121:15
how wonderful our long beach community
121:18
can be
121:18
and how wonderful our long beach
121:20
community already is
121:22
so i really just wanted to take the time
121:24
to thank
121:25
all of you so much for making this such
121:28
a
121:28
wonderful memory for our students you
121:31
know
121:32
long beach is such a community that
121:36
we're all very diverse and our pride
121:39
is shown not just in our apparel but the
121:42
fact that we all work together
121:44
and this was a project where the long
121:46
beach school district
121:47
worked together with city council beach
121:50
to bay
121:51
the csc the concerned citizens of north
121:55
park
121:55
the martin luther king center and just
121:58
so many other
121:59
the parents so i just really wanted to
122:02
take the time to thank
122:03
everybody so much for all of their hard
122:05
work and dedication to this
122:07
you really gave our kids a wonderful
122:09
memory so thank you
122:12
yeah that's great we could do that i
122:14
mean i'm
122:15
guessing also there's a lot of people
122:17
out there that didn't even know
122:19
that martin luther king jr came here to
122:21
long beach
122:23
and spoke and so now it is something
122:26
that lets people know that
122:28
so uh it's important and not only just
122:30
for the kids that did it but for the
122:31
kids
122:32
going forward so they uh
122:35
have the ability to to know that yes um
122:39
john dr dr martin luther king came to
122:42
our city
122:43
over three times in the 1950s and the
122:45
1960s
122:47
and there were there were newspaper
122:49
articles and thanks to long beach
122:51
historical society we were able to dig
122:52
them up and do the research
122:54
so now when you walk on the boardwalk
122:56
you'll be able to read about how he came
122:58
to our city and he inspired
123:00
so many of us and it'll be there forever
123:04
so our youth be able to go by and see it
123:06
the plaque is
123:08
installed on riverside so as soon as you
123:10
walk up the ramp you can see it
123:12
and again thank you thank you again so
123:15
much for supporting this project
123:17
our pleasure and i if i could just take
123:20
a moment just to
123:22
because we are not in city hall and we
123:26
don't have the opportunity to give out
123:28
proclamations
123:29
i'd just like to mention those students
123:31
that did
123:33
such an incredible job so thank you to
123:37
sean bourne
123:38
tyrese byron tyler caldo michael contras
123:43
maura conway zoe conway oscar
123:46
the udo johnny diamond natalia
123:50
gonzada shirley hernandez
123:54
destiny hurt frankie kelleher ryan
123:57
milland
123:58
wyatt parker kelly ryan
124:02
elijah rodriguez tony
124:05
donia zabo mana
124:09
hayden soulfield and teresa tarantino
124:13
thank you so much thank you anne thank
124:16
you liz
124:17
oh and i would also like to thank denise
124:19
ford for coming by
124:21
and visiting to see the plaque and also
124:23
miss donna gayden thank you so much for
124:25
coming by
124:26
to watch the ceremony i know that due to
124:29
covert restrictions we couldn't have so
124:30
many people so we really appreciate
124:33
the time you came to you took to come
124:35
out and see them
124:38
all right thanks annie
124:41
thank you all right who's next dave
124:47
okay next is roy lester okay
124:51
welcome back thanks annie it's great you
124:54
being here
124:56
thank you um and you're doing a great
124:58
job
124:59
uh listen i listened to robert talk
125:02
about the haberman thing
125:04
and i've been talking to you guys about
125:06
it for three years
125:07
and i i know i sound like an alarmist
125:10
but we've lost just about every appeal
125:15
every case every decision
125:18
in this particular case for robert to
125:20
say well we still we got this to go and
125:22
that to go
125:23
and is you know hoping for the good the
125:26
good luck
125:27
when we've had a a string of losses
125:30
that's unbelievable
125:32
i think is not realistic and i think
125:34
we're going to have to start
125:36
planning what we're going to do if we
125:39
don't
125:41
win this thing and the odds of us
125:43
winning it i don't even see
125:45
and rich maybe you can tell me how are
125:47
we appealing this to the court of
125:49
appeals
125:50
it was a 4-0 decision
125:53
and it was it was a decision a couple
125:56
years ago
125:57
and he says we still can appeal it
126:00
rich is that true well there are some
126:04
theories upon which we can appeal yes
126:06
um basically i mean listen bob bob's you
126:09
know
126:09
you know what bob's role is bob you know
126:11
he's outside counsel he's a litigator
126:13
he's here to represent the city's
126:14
interests i understand
126:16
you said you don't want to be an
126:17
alarmist i get it like this is something
126:19
that's been looming over the city
126:21
we have full faith in bob that he's
126:22
going to you know do
126:24
argue as best he can you know but he
126:27
lost it for us before
126:28
i mean didn't he wasn't he the attorney
126:32
or which i mean wasn't he the attorney
126:35
arguing
126:36
in front of the appellate division
126:39
i believe he came before the uh before
126:41
the city council last time with uh
126:43
with an appeal might have been on the
126:45
ice star matter though i'm not 100 sure
126:46
no no
126:47
um of course it might have the highest
126:49
cross i don't i don't have the entire
126:50
history of the case before anymore but i
126:52
think
126:53
um you know there's
126:57
it's it's a damages inquest and as an
126:58
attorney i think you know
127:00
you live and die day by day in
127:02
litigation so uh
127:04
bob's just trying to do the best he can
127:05
for the city and try to see if we can
127:07
come out of this you know
127:08
in a good way i know what he's trying to
127:10
do rich what i'm asking is is it
127:12
realistic
127:13
do you see i i know litigation can
127:16
always go
127:17
different ways but you know what when
127:19
you've lost four
127:20
five times and you don't even have as
127:23
far as i know we don't have an appeal to
127:26
the uh court of appeals
127:29
we're stuck with the decision and now
127:32
it's just a matter of
127:34
how much correct me if i'm wrong
127:37
please because that's how i read it
127:41
no i mean listen you you're reading it
127:42
right i i can't i can't really comment
127:45
on you know
127:46
the on the gloom you know what i mean
127:50
this is a projection that you're saying
127:52
i get it i'm not i'm not in a position
127:53
to comment on the litigation and
127:55
what our steps are in the appeal because
127:57
i haven't evaluated the appeal to the
127:58
board of cases
127:59
uh so i couldn't tell you at this point
128:02
but um
128:02
what i'm what i'm saying is if we're
128:04
facing this don't you think we should
128:07
start planning something start having
128:10
some sort of contingency plan
128:13
sure yeah well why aren't we we never
128:16
even discuss it
128:17
it's like it doesn't exist for three
128:20
years contingency plans
128:22
so lay it out for me right well i i
128:24
don't know i mean
128:25
you know i know what it would cost if we
128:28
had to let's say we had to bond
128:30
um a hundred million dollars we did that
128:34
in the school board
128:35
it cost everybody some money but we used
128:38
it to build things
128:39
is it possible yeah could the city
128:42
survive it it would be tough
128:44
we also have the option of bankruptcy
128:46
the question is how much do we have in
128:48
assets
128:49
and what could we afford to give up
128:52
they're different things we could do but
128:53
so far
128:54
every time it's been mentioned it's like
128:56
you know oh
128:58
you know i'll covert it's a fake thing
129:00
that's what i'm hearing basically
129:02
and i'm asking you am i missing
129:04
something
129:06
that's why i'm asking you what would you
129:07
do or what your thought process is on
129:09
this because i mean you're asking me if
129:10
it's realistic to think that we can come
129:11
out on top of this
129:13
i'm not i'm not in the courtroom every
129:14
day i can't uh even if not
129:18
pending litigation you get what i'm
129:19
saying so that's why i kind of turned it
129:21
to you what what do you think
129:24
the city as a whole should be doing if
129:26
if and when this happens or
129:28
if the worst is to happen right i
129:31
understand what you're saying
129:32
um what we're doing right now is we're
129:35
looking at all of the cases that we have
129:37
right now
129:37
we're looking at any outstanding debt
129:39
that we have right now
129:41
and determine how much we can bond for
129:44
depending on
129:45
if any of the cases that's out there um
129:48
what would happen we will have to start
129:51
looking at this case in particular
129:53
um so i want you to know you may not
129:56
hear
129:57
anna and i uh not talking about it out
130:00
in public but we do look at where we are
130:03
what we can bond
130:05
how we need to move forward um on
130:08
everything that we have so i understand
130:10
your question
130:11
i just want you to know that we are
130:13
taking
130:14
all things under consideration how we
130:16
move forward
130:19
okay that's nice to know but unlike the
130:22
other cases
130:23
we already lost this one donna this
130:26
isn't
130:26
in litigation we lost it liability we
130:29
have to look at damages
130:31
so we still have to look at what the
130:33
potential could be and how we would take
130:36
care of it
130:38
yes that's that's what i'm asking for
130:40
that's what i've been asking for for
130:41
three years
130:42
oh okay okay i'm i'm glad to know that
130:45
something's being done
130:46
yeah we're looking at everything roy
130:49
believe me okay
130:50
okay thank you
130:53
okay who's next dave
130:57
uh next is judy vining hi judy
131:05
judy go ahead on you yourself unmuted
131:09
just quick first of all i'm thrilled and
131:12
excited to be on the
131:13
public safety commission board i think
131:15
that long beach aware
131:17
really deserves a place or a voice at
131:20
least there
131:22
and for a while i'm part of long beach
131:25
where that's
131:27
who'll be but in terms of that
131:30
not so thank you
131:34
my other question is more procedural we
131:37
have
131:38
ordinances and we have legislation that
131:42
really needs to be discussed and can't
131:45
be discussed
131:46
in three minutes um public
131:49
you know comments we have to sit down we
131:53
have to work and how do we do that
131:55
how do we look at our social host
131:57
legislation
131:58
knowing we need to really quickly add
132:02
marijuana to it because of the way the
132:04
state is going
132:06
um what would be the process
132:10
you guys suggest because three minutes
132:13
of good and welfare doesn't do it
132:16
so what what i would suggest and not
132:20
that i want to put
132:21
more things on her plate but would be to
132:23
make an appointment to meet with
132:24
with the city manager to discuss it no
132:27
we have met but
132:28
it's really a procedural question i
132:30
think for
132:31
for the council because the council
132:34
enacts the legislation
132:36
um and we've done it before it's not a
132:39
new thing
132:41
at all my question is
132:44
where do we find a place or a way
132:48
of sitting and talking and hashing it
132:50
out
132:54
uh again well whether it's
132:57
getting in a room or whatever the the
133:00
city manager's office would arrange
133:03
any meetings or anything like that
133:06
i mean you know it's public business
133:07
it's not you know
133:09
it's nothing secret it's not anything
133:11
like that it's just that
133:13
well if you want to do it in a public
133:15
forum i mean we could
133:17
we could potentially do it at a working
133:19
meeting or something like that
133:20
right because it's just about i mean
133:24
it's not even um
133:25
an adversarial thing it's something that
133:28
the city of long beach got
133:30
tremendous nationwide credit
133:33
for being or at least statewide credit
133:36
for being the first
133:38
in the state of new york to enact a
133:40
social
133:41
host ordinance and then when we realized
133:43
we needed to
133:45
up the ante in terms of fines and
133:48
scott i'm sure you'll remember that and
133:51
then we met as a subcommittee
133:53
and then brought it to the council so
133:56
it's
133:58
you know the other the other place to
133:59
potentially do it too
134:01
is that you're on the public safety
134:03
committee that might also be the place
134:05
to
134:06
have it bubble up from there well it
134:08
could but
134:09
the point that i'm trying to make is
134:12
that
134:14
within weeks from everything i hear from
134:16
all the state committees i'm on
134:19
this is going to be a major issue in the
134:21
state of new york
134:22
if we don't get ahead of it locally we
134:25
will be
134:26
constrained by whatever
134:30
the state legislature and the governor
134:32
want
134:34
correct correct me if i'm wrong but
134:36
hasn't nassau county already passed
134:37
legislation banning uh
134:40
marijuana even if the state passed it
134:43
yeah but we're in a new um
134:45
it did last
134:48
it did the last legislative session but
134:50
it's we're in a new ballgame now
134:52
it doesn't matter what um nassau county
134:56
passed
134:57
and we didn't pass it as a city
135:01
we wouldn't fall under the county
135:03
legislation
135:04
last time we didn't have a right as a
135:07
city
135:08
to do the carve out the county did but
135:11
we did not
135:12
and the county did not cover us okay and
135:15
that's your three minutes you know again
135:17
i'm i'm not an attorney and believe me i
135:19
don't want to keep doing this
135:21
neither am i so but yeah so like i said
135:24
we need a form to do it we need a way to
135:27
do it so that when we were able to be
135:31
lauded for everything we're able to
135:33
accomplish okay so we could talk offline
135:35
and maybe we'll
135:36
we'll we'll do it at a working meeting
135:37
then a public working meeting
135:39
great okay
135:42
okay and the thing i want to throw at
135:44
everybody
135:45
is god help us we're having our first
135:48
virtual
135:49
breakfast of champions and prevention
135:51
isn't always about
135:54
alcohol and other drugs sometimes it's
135:56
about preventing hunger
135:58
and so anything and everything that
136:01
we're going to do
136:03
in terms of proceeds from our virtual
136:05
breakfast of champions that we do every
136:07
year
136:08
where we feed people the money is going
136:11
to
136:12
our weekend feed in conjunction with the
136:16
school district and
136:17
blah blah and trader joe's and i would
136:20
encourage everybody
136:22
it's give us whatever you want it
136:25
doesn't matter
136:26
give people the website the website is
136:29
www
136:30
long beach aware dot org donate button
136:34
and there's a drop down menu it's
136:36
weekend feed or breakfast
136:38
of champions but again we you know
136:41
long beach is great for its breakfast
136:43
right you know we know the
136:46
we know how we do it but this thing
136:48
we're doing with that food
136:50
every penny is going to try to
136:54
keep going with the weekend food and we
136:56
were able to do that from
136:57
june to september with the help of all
137:01
of the people
137:02
that we're honoring it's on facebook
137:05
it's all over the place
137:06
and um if the technology doesn't crash
137:10
we would
137:12
certainly welcome i sent you an email
137:14
john
137:15
well over your three minutes can you
137:16
please wrap it up
137:19
and that's why we need more than three
137:21
minutes
137:24
okay all right thanks judy you're
137:27
welcome
137:28
all right next is paul fetch fetcher
137:33
okay hey paul
137:40
you gotta mute paul
137:43
hi there okay thank you john i'd like to
137:47
uh yield my time to eileen hession she
137:49
wasn't a cue but her
137:51
laptop battery died so here's eileen
137:54
all right okay thank you
137:58
i'll try to keep within my three minutes
138:01
a couple of questions i'll put them all
138:03
together
138:04
the first one is we listened to the
138:06
police commissioners a couple of weeks
138:07
ago
138:09
when will we have the decision on that
138:12
the second is about covid
138:16
i appreciate it john turn this off
138:19
i appreciated john giving us the
138:21
information at the beginning of the
138:22
meeting but i'm wondering if those
138:26
cases are mild or have there been deaths
138:29
in long beach
138:30
and also where are those big numbers
138:33
coming from
138:33
are they house parties the bars the
138:36
schools
138:37
the old age homes and
138:43
are the police taking care of
138:46
you know if bars are overcrowded or
138:48
whatever
138:49
that's about covered the next thing is
138:51
about the rallies
138:53
at kennedy center most of them
138:56
are being held by people who don't even
138:58
live in long beach
138:59
i'm wondering if they have permits and
139:02
if we are having to pay the police
139:03
overtime
139:04
in order to you know monitor those
139:06
things
139:08
um next
139:11
parking meters have been brought up so
139:13
often but no decision has ever met
139:15
meant done on them and finally i was
139:19
glad that the haberman was brought up
139:21
and something is being done about it we
139:23
also have 250 years
139:26
of police retirements right now and
139:29
that's another huge amount of money
139:31
and i'm wondering how we can address
139:34
that i don't think that will be answered
139:37
tonight but maybe some of my other
139:38
questions
139:39
will thank you very much
139:46
and they don't hear me all right uh yeah
139:48
we heard you uh
139:50
hello donna you wanna i i jotted him
139:53
down i think i got him
139:54
so okay what's the first one police
139:56
commissioner when we expect uh
139:58
hopefully within the next week two weeks
140:01
at the most
140:03
okay uh covid i guess
140:06
uh and eileen we we've run into this
140:09
before the
140:10
the that information that you're talking
140:13
about which is a lot of it is
140:15
where is it occurring and the severity
140:17
and things like that
140:18
that's data that the county department
140:20
of health collects they do not share
140:22
that with the city
140:24
um dude very
140:27
well john's on so i'll let john go
140:29
because he's the one that's
140:30
monitoring this yeah and it's it's not
140:32
even just that the the
140:33
county doesn't have it the county has a
140:35
certain granularity of data but it's the
140:37
state department of health that captures
140:39
all of it i mean some of this is
140:40
protected by hipaa
140:41
right like so that's severity of cases
140:45
where the location is if you're giving a
140:47
location and you're potentially giving
140:48
away
140:49
who the person was that tested positive
140:51
or has a case
140:53
literally the only the only information
140:55
that we have access to we have
140:57
requested additional layers of
140:58
information but the only information
140:59
that the city
141:00
can gain access to um is
141:04
you know the absolute numbers and the
141:05
smooth that average of positive tests
141:07
we don't know the percent positivity as
141:10
i mentioned earlier we don't know the
141:12
locations
141:14
there was during um
141:18
the the spring spike there was
141:21
confidential downloads into our first
141:23
responders so police and firefighters
141:26
you know was a blind entry into their
141:28
system
141:29
so if they responded to a house that had
141:33
a known
141:34
positive case they were alerted to it um
141:37
but they would not have known until they
141:38
actually
141:39
showed up in the system alerted to me
141:41
even that didn't have names it was
141:44
physical addresses and it was for their
141:45
safety but you know
141:47
in terms of severity you know and where
141:50
we just don't have that information in
141:51
terms of enforcement
141:53
our police department is absolutely
141:55
enforcing it
141:57
and some of the good news is um
142:01
they were recently we just the police
142:02
department knew this but during a recent
142:04
executive order
142:06
the governor um has allowed local
142:09
ordinances to come and play
142:10
in order for mask violation and other
142:12
things so
142:14
part of the difficulty earlier on was
142:16
enforcement men
142:18
issuing a violation of executive order
142:20
which is a class b misdemeanor which
142:22
means that people are arrested and very
142:25
severe
142:25
you know fiscal financial penalties
142:28
associated with it too
142:29
so now they have more flexibility in
142:32
terms of
142:33
what the hammer is for enforcement and
142:35
it's not so extreme so that they can use
142:37
more latitude
142:38
um because obviously if there's one
142:40
person walking down the street and they
142:41
weren't wearing a mask
142:42
you don't want to arrest that person um
142:45
you know you reserve that for really
142:46
egregious acts
142:47
now our police department has a little
142:49
bit more latitude with
142:51
additional guidance from the state john
142:53
very simply
142:54
we've had over a thousand cases within
142:56
the city of long beach
142:58
how many deaths have we had we don't
143:01
have access to that information
143:03
okay okay
143:07
all right uh next was about the rallies
143:09
in kennedy center and i guess
143:11
eileen you sound like it was more of a
143:13
statement than a question because you
143:14
said most of them were from out of town
143:16
and are we playing for the police
143:18
overtime for them commissioner
143:20
is on is he still on yes okay
143:24
and there he is i'm new
143:28
hi how are you yeah so
143:31
we've been monitoring all the other
143:33
rallies we've had in kennedy plaza
143:35
and we're doing with on-duty police
143:37
officers so
143:38
there's been no overtime uh we we had
143:41
one today actually uh that we we
143:44
monitored and we were at but
143:46
um we've done it without uh incurring
143:48
any cost
143:49
and there's been really no disruption uh
143:52
to the city
143:53
uh we've allowed people to verbalize
143:55
what they want to say
143:57
uh and and exercise their constitutional
144:00
rights but
144:01
at the end of the day it hasn't cost the
144:03
city any money as far as
144:04
police over time
144:08
if i may i had to leave my office
144:09
tonight because of loudspeakers they
144:11
were talking about
144:12
buttholes and cheers of four more years
144:16
that i had to leave my office i would
144:17
consider that a disruption
144:19
that was uh shortly after about 505 this
144:22
evening
144:23
yeah um i was there at 505 and there
144:27
were probably about
144:28
15 people there and they they
144:31
did speak and they were rallying with
144:34
flags but
144:35
um it was not disruptive all right
144:42
uh next was about parking meters and
144:46
we can probably blame that in mike
144:48
delorey because
144:50
he likes parking meters uh but uh
144:54
john and ena can update where we are
144:56
with parking meters
144:58
so that's what ian and i sat down with
145:00
um
145:01
our existing parking consultant to
145:03
review some of the numbers
145:04
uh we requested additional information
145:07
um
145:08
both in terms of you know backing up the
145:11
data that he was able
145:12
that he used to uh base his assumptions
145:15
on
145:15
for what the pro forma would be for
145:18
installation of parking meters in our
145:20
central business district
145:22
um so we we're continuing down the
145:25
process and we're evaluating it
145:26
um you know it's it's been discussed for
145:30
20 or 30 years we've been out we've been
145:32
at this for about six months so a little
145:34
bit of patience but we can we continue
145:36
to pursue it
145:39
okay okay and the last two i eileen i
145:42
don't know if i
145:42
uh if i got a question out of here for
145:45
you just more expressing concern about
145:47
haberman and all the police retirements
145:49
the the potential financial implication
145:53
is that what you were yeah i'm concerned
145:55
about that yes
145:56
okay i mean yeah i don't know what to
145:59
say i mean
146:00
our police officers deserve their
146:02
retirement but i don't know how we can
146:03
sustain it
146:06
well we do have i mean obviously
146:10
the police officers retiring now or like
146:12
you said they're they're entitled to
146:14
what they're
146:15
entitled to um the the police
146:18
arbitration that was just
146:20
the binding arbitration that just went
146:22
through
146:23
does put a cap on
146:27
what retiring police officers can get
146:30
going
146:31
forward what was the effective date on
146:33
that uh
146:35
rich retiring i think uh what you're
146:38
referring to is that the cap applies if
146:40
it won't apply if they leave on or
146:42
before a certain date so they'll be it
146:43
was on it before the end of the year
146:45
right or something like that or was it
146:46
december sometime in december
146:48
i forget the exact date but the
146:50
arbitration award essentially says that
146:52
um the cap applies prospectively but if
146:55
uh if officers leave and put their
146:59
papers for retirement and before a
147:00
certain time they're entitled to their
147:01
other payout
147:02
right originally i think
147:05
i think it was in december but does it
147:08
as a date before the end of the year
147:10
that after that point the
147:14
uh police retirement uh
147:17
the amount they're allowed to get paid
147:18
out is capped
147:20
at 275 000
147:24
which if you follow
147:27
you know which i know you do eileen the
147:29
police retirements you know that's
147:31
significantly lower than what many of
147:33
them get
147:34
um so that's the cap now so it's the
147:37
idea is that
147:38
um uh i assume the incentive was
147:42
the idea was not to let people build up
147:47
uh huge amounts of vacation that exceed
147:49
the contracted amount and comp time and
147:52
and and other things and and keep people
147:55
within the
147:56
the limits that they they're supposed to
147:58
be kept in
148:01
also um the ones that are retiring now
148:04
they receive their payouts over
148:05
uh years it's not all at one time
148:09
uh correct yeah they are spread out now
148:14
uh just to finish up thank you very much
148:16
for all those answers
148:18
um my pet peeve is hell but still is a
148:22
dangerous
148:23
area over there with broken glass and so
148:25
forth
148:26
and i hope that we are finding the
148:30
owner of the property and also the
148:32
hospital
148:33
is a dangerous place and south nassau is
148:37
building now
148:39
and i think it's really outrageous that
148:41
all of
148:42
most of our politicians have agreed with
148:45
what the hospital is doing when they
148:47
took
148:48
all of our money and are building a
148:50
bunch of doctor's offices there
148:52
and uh destroying a neighborhood really
148:56
so and looks like nothing is going to be
148:59
done
148:59
but while they're doing their work there
149:01
are no street lights on state street
149:03
right that's your time
149:06
oh yeah okay all right thanks eileen
149:10
yeah all right dave
149:13
uh brendan healy oh hey brendan
149:18
oh wait i'm having a technical issue
149:20
here hang on one second
149:22
okay brandon i got to bring you up to
149:25
the panel because you're using an older
149:26
version
149:28
so let's give this a shot
149:43
i just lost
149:51
you lost them i lost them i promoted
149:53
them and uh
149:54
i guess he he looks like he dropped off
149:56
uh
149:58
hang on i may have his number i might be
149:59
able to text them
150:09
all right i just told him to call back
150:11
in uh well
150:12
why he's doing that is there anyone else
150:14
i hope that was it oh that was it
150:16
all right well we'll give him a couple
150:18
of seconds to see if he uh
150:22
comes back in mike sing us a song while
150:24
we're waiting for
150:25
uh brendon
150:32
[Music]
150:34
you're muted mike
150:37
you didn't hear it john oh that's a good
150:40
thing he's
150:40
muted
150:44
all right i mean i guess uh i can give
150:46
brendan a call and find out what it was
150:48
uh because uh it doesn't look like he's
150:51
coming back in
150:52
yeah i don't i don't see him showing up
150:54
on on any list okay
150:56
well i do have no wait wait he just
150:58
texted me back he says he's
151:00
coming in now all right i do have
151:01
another hand in the meantime
151:03
um deborah marino okay
151:07
go ahead deborah hi deborah
151:10
hi hi hi can you hear me
151:14
yes we can okay well thank you guys this
151:17
is my
151:18
first um meeting i've gone to so oh
151:21
welcome very enlightening thank you
151:24
um and and thank you all for expediting
151:28
all the uh
151:29
stuff with the rinks and the swimming
151:31
and everything because
151:32
i have kids and especially the ice rink
151:35
has been very important so
151:37
um you know that you got it open so at
151:39
least they could do sticks and pugs and
151:40
stuff and
151:41
um i do have a quick question though
151:45
for i don't know if i heard it wrong or
151:47
i just didn't understand it
151:49
um the rf like the bidding stuff
151:52
is that again occurring in april
151:58
i i think you're referring to the the
152:01
other rfp
152:02
that's going out for the ice arena and
152:04
rich i don't know if you want to
152:06
explain that one right and is that also
152:09
for the swimming not just the rain no no
152:11
that's just for the ice arena
152:13
all right okay uh president bender you
152:15
hit you hit the nail on the head um
152:18
so uh miss mourinho this is essentially
152:20
an rfp a request for proposals that will
152:22
be forthcoming
152:23
regarding the operation of the ice arena
152:25
only and that's
152:26
that's to come in the future not it
152:28
doesn't have to do with the uh
152:31
oh okay now when
152:35
okay so every april this is
152:39
a common thing or this is just this year
152:42
because of covet or
152:44
well yeah this year has been a little a
152:46
little odd because of
152:48
of covid so um
152:52
so for example some of the things you
152:53
saw tonight is
152:55
um some of the vendors that were
152:59
operating in the ice arena and the in
153:01
the pool
153:04
hadn't gone through a proper uh rfp
153:07
process and didn't have the right kind
153:09
of contracts and things like that
153:11
so while the places had to be closed
153:15
because of the covet case
153:16
we we used that opportunity to take that
153:19
and then
153:20
get everybody current and proper with
153:23
the
153:23
with what the procedures are supposed to
153:25
be so what you saw tonight now
153:28
was us making all the vendors for the
153:31
swimming
153:32
and and the ice uh stuff the leagues
153:35
now they're all going to be done all the
153:38
contracts will now be proper
153:39
and everybody's going to have their
153:40
insurance and things like that
153:43
so um so that that's
153:46
that's basically uh there's a renewal
153:50
in there right uh
153:53
and they'll be in the contract usually
153:55
so it
153:57
so no it might not necessarily be an
153:59
annual thing it
154:00
it depends um on the final contract
154:03
sometimes there's renewals in there uh
154:06
at the city's discretion
154:07
so
154:11
oh okay just curiosity how come
154:14
it's just on the rink and not for
154:17
swimming or
154:18
anything else so the separate one
154:21
is the uh
154:24
the ice arena um
154:27
[Music]
154:28
is quite frankly uh
154:32
physically is in needs a lot of work
154:35
um more than the city quite frankly
154:38
could
154:38
probably afford to do um
154:42
so some there there is uh the idea is to
154:46
uh put out an rfp to see if a
154:49
larger operator quite frankly with some
154:51
deeper pockets can come in and
154:54
uh get the ice arena uh back up to
154:57
back up to good condit you know where it
155:00
really should be
155:01
and and operated for the city because
155:04
again there's
155:05
there's a lot of expense to the city
155:07
operating that ice arena
155:10
if we can still have that ice arena
155:12
going
155:13
but have it done by a vendor that you
155:15
know
155:16
uh basically will pay the city rent uh
155:20
that that's good for the tax phase i'll
155:22
give you just a four example
155:24
to keep the ice frozen in the arena cost
155:26
the city fifteen thousand dollars a
155:28
month
155:29
to keep the ice frozen oh um
155:33
it's it's expensive and like i said the
155:36
building needs a lot of work
155:37
uh quite frankly it's
155:41
it's kind of it's old and it needs to be
155:43
updated
155:44
so um if we can get um
155:47
you know somebody that operates other
155:49
ice arenas to come in
155:51
and uh and take over operating it and
155:54
and do some of the upgrades that are
155:56
needed and run some good programs
155:58
it's a win-win for everyone so the
156:02
the current status doesn't meet the 15
156:05
000 rent each month like the city takes
156:08
some of that is what you're saying
156:10
um actually i'm not i don't i
156:14
rich man i don't know what the current
156:15
you know the the various hockey leagues
156:17
and stuff pay for
156:19
for rent and things like that i don't i
156:21
don't have that information i'm just
156:22
saying it's
156:23
the the ice arena from my understanding
156:26
and
156:26
yeah ian is still here i think the ice
156:28
arena generally runs
156:30
uh at a loss for the city so
156:33
uh the idea is to get the ice arena
156:37
keep it running but uh you know
156:40
hopefully with somebody that can run it
156:42
more
156:44
i don't know business like is the term
156:45
but at least can can
156:47
run it properly and it's not a a loss to
156:50
the city
156:53
would there ever be a time where it just
156:57
then closes and the teams and all the
157:00
kids don't get to
157:01
use it for teams uh we hope not that's
157:04
we certainly would not like to see that
157:06
happen
157:06
uh mr bill would you like me to jump in
157:08
on this sure joe if you got
157:10
info sure um ma'am so basically you know
157:13
uh
157:14
what mr bender was alluding to and
157:16
mentioned
157:18
the city's goal in releasing this
157:20
upcoming rfp
157:21
is to have you know as he said um really
157:25
think of it in terms of a specialist you
157:26
know um an entity that specializes or
157:30
has a lot of knowledge in running a
157:32
large-scale ice rink
157:33
and the ultimate goal is that any
157:36
repairs that might need to be made to
157:37
the building
157:39
really to make it a better facility for
157:41
the public and
157:42
our children where the longevity of the
157:46
ice arena
157:46
will you know last into you know
157:50
many years into the future with respect
157:52
to um what you said earlier about you
157:54
know um
157:55
the swimming and whatnot and some of the
157:57
other rfps i'm not sure if you may be
157:58
confusing um
158:00
the difference between just the ice
158:01
arena rfp which will be you know uh
158:04
we're in the process of uh finalizing
158:06
and and working out all the terms of
158:08
that
158:08
as opposed to some of the recreational
158:10
activities where
158:12
um as uh donna had mentioned before
158:15
being that those were approved we will
158:17
be in touch with people you know this
158:19
week
158:19
in order to finalize um some of the
158:21
smaller recreational contracts as
158:23
opposed to the ice arena which is such a
158:25
vast undertaking
158:26
we're not looking to um get out of
158:28
anything where you know after a number
158:30
after a couple of years we just walk
158:31
away from the ice arena we're actually
158:33
looking to
158:34
make it that the ice arena is repaired
158:36
it's a fantastic facility and that it
158:38
sticks around in our community for a
158:39
long time
158:40
yep okay all right great so so you're
158:43
looking out for the kids and all of us
158:46
oh yeah the goal is to make this thing
158:48
survive for the long term
158:50
good and and short term while we're
158:52
looking for the long term
158:53
right okay good all right excellent well
158:56
thank you so much
158:57
all right have a good night and i say mr
158:59
healey is back
159:02
can you guys hear me now yes we can okay
159:05
hey sorry about that um so a couple
159:08
things i i just wanted to
159:10
first of all um you know is now i guess
159:13
a member of the public safety commission
159:14
i just i just want to thank donna
159:15
and gina guma specifically i know
159:17
there's a lot of work
159:19
that went into getting these boards and
159:20
commissions up and running and obviously
159:22
going through the interview process
159:24
you know it was it was very thorough and
159:26
also what i think very thoughtful
159:28
um so just want to make that comment and
159:29
say thank you very much for
159:31
putting that together i know there's a
159:33
ton of work and i'm very happy as a
159:34
resident to
159:36
to see these commissions and boards and
159:38
um advisory groups uh back up and
159:40
running
159:42
thanks so that was my first part um i
159:45
have one quick
159:46
item well not me it's not quick but now
159:49
this is west end neighbor civic
159:50
association
159:51
shift gears quickly so
159:54
as many of you know west end neighbors
159:56
we work with
159:57
licensed establishments in the west end
159:59
anyone holding sla license renewals
160:02
permits etc so three updates for you the
160:05
first
160:06
is five ocean bar and grill that's on
160:09
the corner of
160:10
new york avenue over by the boardwalk
160:12
there they are going to be going in
160:14
front of the
160:14
state liquor authority full board and
160:16
that's going to happen on december
160:19
8th public comment has to be back to the
160:21
sla by december 4th
160:23
we've been working with that applicant
160:25
for several months now
160:27
we've heard a lot of comment and
160:29
feedback from the residents at 780
160:31
west broadway not because they're so
160:33
concerned about the establishment having
160:36
a full liquor license
160:37
but because they're concerned about the
160:39
establishment creating noise that
160:41
impacts
160:42
the quality of life in that building
160:45
again we are
160:45
working with the establishment right now
160:47
hoping to come to an agreement before
160:49
december 8th
160:50
but if not we'll provide comment as we
160:52
do to the liquor authority
160:53
and ask for certain stipulations
160:54
regarding noise hours of operation that
160:56
sort of thing
160:58
second update is long beach culinary
161:01
concepts
161:02
this is the ugly duckling over on west
161:05
beach street
161:06
we've received a lot of questions and
161:08
comments around this establishment
161:10
the liquor authority approved their most
161:13
recent license
161:14
adopted the stipulations they were
161:16
agreed to by the west end neighbors as
161:18
well as the applicant
161:20
however in their initial application
161:23
the applicant did not request the use of
161:26
a dj
161:27
so what's happened is they went back in
161:29
front of the sla for reconsideration
161:32
long in the short of it is uh they were
161:34
not granted use of a dj
161:36
uh it looks like they will not be able
161:37
to have a dj until the state liquor
161:39
authority
161:40
um approves their application or reviews
161:42
it again which probably won't happen
161:43
until next summer
161:45
and last but not least is the cafe which
161:48
is
161:49
used to be formerly island time across
161:51
from neoposto on the corner of west
161:52
beach and new york avenue
161:54
um they apply for a beer wine and cider
161:56
permit
161:57
we met with them as well good dialogue
161:59
conversation with the community
162:01
they are now asking for a full liquor
162:03
license um
162:04
and we are in discussion with them um
162:07
but again
162:08
you know we're seeking comment from the
162:09
community so if anybody has any comments
162:11
please send it to west end residents
162:14
at hotmail.comwestonresidents
162:16
hotmail.com
162:19
all right and perfect that is your time
162:22
oh
162:22
great all right thanks brendan thank you
162:25
all right
162:26
was that it dave that's it all right
162:29
everyone thanks for joining us
162:31
uh appreciate it and uh everyone have a
162:34
good night and a great thanksgiving
162:37
and wear your masks goodnight stay safe
162:40
and properly
162:42
okay and good night good night everyone