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good evening everyone welcome to
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uh another city council working meeting
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so uh for those of you that might be
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new to this uh this is just you have the
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ability to listen in to us just
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discussing some
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some city business that the council
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needs to go through there's no
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votes taken or anything like that
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there's
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there's no public input um it's just the
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council and
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some of the staff discussing items that
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you get to listen in on the conversation
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um so
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with that uh i guess we can get going
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uh i guess why don't we talk about the
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uh the garage appraisal and
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the city garage property all right
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that's me
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talking about that um we have an offer
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on the table for 1.7 million
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to buy the city garage
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which is what is it long beach boulevard
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um
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so we decided well we knew that in order
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to
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really look at the offer we needed to
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have the garage appraised
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we received two appraisals 1.4 million
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and another appraisal for 2 million um
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the buyer would like to buy the garage
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to put a
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popeyes there and they are willing to
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buy the property and wait
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for the city to uh build a new garage
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before they take ownership so the team
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met
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to talk about the placement of the new
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garage we have
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looked at the spacing exactly where it
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would go
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but have determined that it's going to
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cost us around four and a half to five
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million dollars to build a new garage
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that would actually benefit the city by
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putting the buses in the garage we know
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that we can
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um we know that we can get uh at least
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eighty percent
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of the build the build out funded but
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that's a year down the road we can start
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to apply for it we have to get the plans
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and then we would look for other grants
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to
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fund the funding of the building of the
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garage
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what i do know is that the the gentleman
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that would like to buy
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the garage is now under a timeline
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to purchase the property from us because
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popeyes may end up going to others are
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looking at putting up popeyes
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and it may go to ocean side but
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in all honesty we cannot
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the staff and i talked about it no
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honesty we can't
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say that we will be ready to go in a
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year
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because we have to make sure we have the
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funding to build up a new garage
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because the city does not have five
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million dollars
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to um build a new garage
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basically
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okay uh i think ray is on the phone as
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well
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yeah right do you want to add anything
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to it
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he's muted ray you muted if uh you're
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talking
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can you hear me now yep there you go
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okay sorry about that
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uh yeah we hired two uh reputable
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appraisers from nassau county
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uh they came in you know a little bit
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did different numbers but the
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offer is right in the middle uh i
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reviewed both appraisals and they're
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pretty much
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made sense and we were sharing with the
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council as well
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uh and you know a fast
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food restaurant would make sense on the
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long beach boulevard corridor
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um that's pretty much it
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right what would yeah ray what would uh
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a commercial property like a popeyes
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probably pay in taxes
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on um something over there
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um a fast food restaurant it's based on
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the gross receipts
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of the income of the grocery seats and
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like for example like the mcdonald's or
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the burger king
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pay about 10 to 15 000 a year in city
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taxes
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not including school or county okay all
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right
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uh
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so any any id i'm sorry go ahead
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well i was just wondering i mean there's
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like that's a
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1.4 million and and 2
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million is a pretty wide discrepancy
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it's like a 43
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spread there um any idea i i know you
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said it came down in the middle i guess
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any idea why such a wide discrepancy in
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the
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two to appraisals
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uh one appraisal was strictly looking at
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the fast food while the other appraisal
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spread it out a little bit more to see
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what else
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might be interested it was based on
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different cops
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okay uh so that's the difference between
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the two appraisals
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all right so where the the offer that's
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been made seems reasonable then
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right the opportunity was 1.7 million
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so um i believe that they would pay
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the bulk of the i think i sent you all
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the documentation of
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the new offer that they gave us so they
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would give the city the bulk of the
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money
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up front so if we sold it for two
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million
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um that means the city has to come up
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with three million dollars
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but we still will have to find the
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funding
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right so we can ask
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um them to appear at the council meeting
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to see how long if he were to purchase
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the property how long they were willing
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to
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wait for the city to build
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um the garage because it's it would take
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a while
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yeah and how much how much certainty
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is there that we would get that grant
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money to build the garage i mean what
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happens if we sell the property and we
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don't get the grant money
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and that's a very good question um and
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we got
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that we got nowhere to work on on the
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vehicles right
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i do know that mike robinson was working
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what i believe is mta to find out about
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it um
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right now they are aware that we do need
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to upgrade the garage
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but the way we're looking at it is not
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just that it would be a garage for the
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buses it would be a garage for
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all of the vehicles so none of the city
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vehicles will be outside
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okay so so we would move everything over
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there including like the sanitation and
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all that too
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all of their vehicles yes okay
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so so obviously it's got to be bigger
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than what's
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what's there now yes and we've all
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looked at the space and
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right now um where uh where we were
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looking
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the city purchases quite a bit of wood
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um and all of the wood is kept outside
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and so if we move sanitation
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in all of the vehicles over to the
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garage with the buses
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then all of the equipment that we need
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for building such as wood would move to
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the sanitation garage and then it would
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be inside
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okay so when i started i think the way
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the staff planned it out
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works very well but we got to make sure
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we have the money
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so if we would uh uh
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decide to sell the property could it be
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contingent on getting the grant so in
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other words if the grant doesn't
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materialize
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so we would not be able to build a new
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garage
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that then the sale doesn't go through
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now that that would be we would have to
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talk to uh
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council okay that could be put forth to
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them
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um i think that the one of the reasons
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why the gentleman is anxious to buy the
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property
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is because other people are other people
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are trying to
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get a mec uh a popeyes i was getting
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ready to say mcdonald's but a popeyes
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and so he potentially if they beat him
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to it
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he won't be able he will not purchase
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the property
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okay yeah um
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go ahead i don't want to monopolize this
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if other people got questions
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donna when you when you first started we
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we didn't have an inventory of how many
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vehicles we actually have
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do we now know how many vehicles we have
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um they're completing the inventory now
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um we do know that we have vehicles that
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have
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absolutely no use because they can't be
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driven and so
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they're updating the vehicle listing now
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go ahead are we in compliance with all
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rules and regulations whether
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local um county state or federal in
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terms of the management of our garage
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right now um you know karen i can't
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answer that question as far as the
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management of the garage we know that
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we are trying to implement other
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policies and procedures
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um but i i won't uh
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i can get back to you on that one okay
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so you know my initial assessment is
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that we're putting the
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the cart before the horse here um and i
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am right now i have a little um concern
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that the uh
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the staff is not ready for such a big
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develop for such a big move
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and nor are we financially prepared to
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do so unfortunately
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that's my assessment right now okay
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anyone else got any uh mike you look
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like you're leaning forward like you got
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a question
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um let me see am i i'm okay um i just
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got a couple of questions
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um zoning
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is the area where the garage is
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currently could it be zoned for a
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purchaser
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such as this um do they
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hearing or do we have to do anything the
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other
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is i believe it's in an enterprise zone
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which would give
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the purcha any purchaser i'm i guess
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some kind of tax benefit
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i believe it's a federal grant that
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we're talking would
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would it be a uh
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orientation i'm i'm not sure but there
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may be other
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grants but i'm not an expert and
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that is basically a question that i have
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is is a zoning issue i know it's a city
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garage but
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isn't it an area that would allow
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for that particular developer to come in
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that's all my question as we've been
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talking about it we really hadn't talked
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about the zoning so i'll check on it
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and if it is in the is if it is in a
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enterprise
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zone then we will if the person will in
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fact
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get a break um the bill will not be
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built
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um the building won't be built by
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staff itself um but
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whether the property is sold to the
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gentleman who wants to build the popeyes
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or not
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this is something that we are going to
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have to look at
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in the very near future
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because our equipment and everything is
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depreciating faster because everything
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is sitting outside
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should i had donna is um
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the property is in the federal
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opportunity zone
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and also the zoning allows for a
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one-story retail which the
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fast food restaurant would fit with fit
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okay
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um the last question it only came up
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an an hour ago or today we had a pretty
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heavy rain so i didn't know if
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that garage had it was impacted or that
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area was impacted
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um yes the garage was impacted um and
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so as we went through today we're
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looking at to see
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what we what we can do um because we
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ended up having to send staff home
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um and i believe that just like
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everywhere else it came down
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the rain came down so fast that they
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didn't have time to
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to adjust so i guess it would make sense
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donna
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to move or to look at
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moving the garage somewhere else and
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basically
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i'm not not somewhere else from what
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you've looked at already
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just it makes sense to move the vehicles
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in the garage to a different location
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yes and the garage needs a lot of work
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and so the key
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the reason we were trying to figure this
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out is because we don't want to put
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a lot of money into the garage and then
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turn around and sell it
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but it does need work and so that we're
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trying to assess now how much work it
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it will need and if some of that work
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has to be done
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for the winter oh okay
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thank you
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the potential location for the garage
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uh there was also there there has been
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some talk
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over time of that could also potentially
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be
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a location if we would ever do a new
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city hall um
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how would we i mean are we precluding
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ourselves from giving us
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that um
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to somehow be able to use that space if
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we build a garage there in other words
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uh we might want to think about how the
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space is used where we might be able to
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either
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potentially put a city hall there at
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some point uh again if we can get some
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some money for that um or
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add on to the building to create
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a city hall because you know we've been
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having those conversations that the
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money we're putting in to maintain the
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current building it might be at some
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point cheaper to
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pay a mortgage on a on a new building
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uh we'll take a look at that with the
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layout
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okay
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all right anybody else uh got any
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questions about this so uh
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comments
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all right hearing none uh let's see
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how about uh i see our
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acting police commissioners on how about
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we get uh
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some updates from him
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that's you phil you muted phil
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hold on we're trying to get him to
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unmute
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okay i think i'm unmuted now can you
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hear me yep
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hi everybody uh just give you a brief
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overview
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of what's going on with the pd um
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i know the calendar says that the beach
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park summer is over
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um and we're not uh it's done september
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7th
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it's not and it's no time to get
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complacent
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in my opinion uh it's still gonna be
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warm out
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for a while september's a very warm and
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good month as we know in long beach
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and schools high schools are uh
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tentative at best in regards to their uh
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their classes there's online there's in
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class
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which means that we're probably going to
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have a lot of young adults
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that have a lot of free time so my
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feeling is
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that we should certainly keep the
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modified hours
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on the beach for now
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and reevaluate as you move along but i i
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think if we
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try to change the hours that we put in
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for the beach and the boardwalk
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it'd be a tremendous mistake we might
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end up right back where we were
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at the beginning of july um
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just to let you know what we've done
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this summer what the police department
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has done
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in the west end i'll start with them we
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as you all know we've
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we've increased patrol we have bicycle
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patrols we've had bicycle patrols all
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summer long
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um two sergeants two police officers
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back and forth um they've issued over
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1 000 municipal code summonses which is
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huge
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and we've towed over 266 motor vehicles
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we try to keep the quality of life up
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for our residents and
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it's probably one of the highest numbers
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of
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impounds and summonses that we've had in
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recent years
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our summer specials we talk about all
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the time they
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they issued over 700 not over but they
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issued 787 municipal code summonses for
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all the quality life summonses that or
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violations
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uh that occur on a beach um in addition
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they've also done the
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modified beach hours which was a
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difficult task closing the beach at
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eight o'clock and a quarter
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at nine o'clock and they've done it
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effectively
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as we move forward mostly we lose most
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of our specials
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we still have some that are going to be
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working for us hourly
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we'll have them working with joe brand's
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crew
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closing up the beach closing up the
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boardwalk i'm going to continue to have
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a police officer on the beach
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every night just one we've reduced it
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but they'll assist in closing everything
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down and closing the beach and the
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boardwalk
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uh at eight o'clock at nine o'clock so
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we don't have stragglers
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and we'll work closely with joe we'll
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close with
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tommy cantor with that as far as our
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other communities go
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well with the west end i deal very
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closely with the west end
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neighbors and they've told us what they
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wanted
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and we've worked with the sla the state
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with the inspections and the enforcement
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of licensed premises
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um and it's been successful i believe
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and i've been out there that they're
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adhering to the rules and regulations
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uh i think they're doing well but in
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fact
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they're doing what they need to do to
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make sure that they comply with the
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rules
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in our other communities in the north
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park and the channel park home
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communities
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our police department has worked very
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closely with channel park i'll start
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with them
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mike cruz who runs channel park
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in addition uh myra dejesus who is the
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tenant association president we've met
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numerous times
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and we worked on different um agendas
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that they have
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and i believe we've come to good
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resolutions
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we have police officers patrolling north
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park
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excuse me channel park every night we
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have two police officers every two are
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going through
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addressing all the quality of life
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problems they have
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which is open alcohol marijuana use
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large groups dirt bikes
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narcotics etc um and we're out there and
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we're enforcing that
20:25
we're in the process of putting up new
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um
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street markings for the crosswalks for
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the children
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all along national boulevard and signage
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for
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children to play for their safety as far
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as north park goes
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we're working with the north park crisis
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uh
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intervention unit it's a really great
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team
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of people from north park a really good
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group
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uh led by miss odom and we're
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training them in narcan use first aid
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training
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we're working very closely on peaceful
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resolutions of any
21:01
conflicts or any interactions they have
21:04
with the police
21:05
we're showing them how you should deal
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with the police department
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and what all your options are after that
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encounter to address
21:13
any complaints you have in regards to
21:17
that encounter and we have many avenues
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and many uh
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ways to go in regards to what the
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community could do if they feel they
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were grieved
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as far as traffic goes we have a couple
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of grants right now step grants dwi
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grants they're in progress
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they'll be out in the morning um it's
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fully funded by the nasa county traffic
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safety board
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where uh we're addressing uh aggressive
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driving
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speeding cell phone usage no seat belts
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and uh dwi grant that we have so we'll
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be out for the next
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couple of months doing that and it's
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fully funded
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uh by the county
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and i believe that's kind of where we're
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at um
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all i can say is there may be some
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questions about
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what we're doing with the beach and the
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boardwalk
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my honest opinion is
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we need to keep it closed for now and
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keep the hours the way it is
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wait the way they are uh
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it's warm out people the young kids are
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going to come out
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we can reevaluate but it has to stay the
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way it is
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for now
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any questions um phil this is donna i
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want to
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the the corner what was it neptune the
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corner where we had the hit and run
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and then we have the other gentlemen
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that got hit
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we're going to change that from that you
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can make a right
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on red to no turn on red
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yeah thanks for bringing that up donna
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yes so we uh actually
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i i spent a day evaluating that going
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through
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uh our resolutions and and uh the vtl
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and yes so the signs that if those who
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don't know
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at neptune boulevard and park avenue for
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traffic that's proceeding westbound on
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park
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and traffic that's coming southbound on
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neptune
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to turn right going westbound to park
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it says no turn on red
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during school hours and says 6 a.m
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uh to 4 p.m we've had numerous accidents
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there and it's been very problematic
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it really should be a true no turn
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already
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i got the green light today through
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legal and
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tomorrow morning we'll be removing the
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other signs and will be a true no turn
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on red
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effect of tomorrow
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thank you you're welcome
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uh phil uh since you've been keeping
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stats because uh you you've been giving
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them to us at other update meetings
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would it be possible uh to get like a
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monthly
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report on how many summonses have been
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issued and things like that
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absolutely i i get them monthly from the
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courts
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so i can absolutely 100 send it out to
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you guys
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um i'm looking at one right now and just
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to give you
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well it was it's not as recent it's from
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september 4th
24:23
is the latest update but just so you
24:25
know
24:27
we've issued 500 5301 parking summonses
24:32
um there's been 182 arrests in long
24:34
beach
24:36
1071 municipal code violations
24:39
and uh 650 traffic summons is issued
24:42
that's
24:42
vehicle traffic laws summonses red
24:44
lights stop signs
24:46
um i get that weekly and i can certainly
24:49
scan it over to the city council and
24:51
city manager
24:54
yeah that would be great because that
24:55
way we could get a
24:57
you know indication of a enforcement
24:59
action and stuff like that
25:00
do we also track things like um animal
25:04
control
25:05
and uh uh because i believe they fall
25:08
under you right they do they they work
25:11
under the police but i'm
25:13
and sanitation or both working uh
25:15
enforcement
25:16
oh okay so do you track those as well
25:20
yes we do okay so can we include those
25:22
two
25:23
certainly all right again john great and
25:26
maybe donna if we could
25:28
uh uh since we're on a on that
25:31
topic i guess maybe uh buildings
25:34
department too
25:35
uh if the inspectors there are issuing
25:38
summonses too if we can maybe get
25:41
i guess maybe monthly a monthly update
25:43
you know or something like that just
25:45
just so we have an indication of what's
25:46
going on on uh enforcement actions
25:49
across the city
25:52
uh okay and i think it's a good idea
25:56
john because i think the numbers
25:57
actually can show the public and our
25:59
residents
26:00
how hard that the police department the
26:02
building department et cetera are
26:03
working
26:06
well yes certainly it all yes people at
26:09
least
26:10
you know can see what's going on out
26:12
there then you know there's data to
26:14
support it
26:16
right one of the other
26:20
reports that we are talking to the
26:21
building department about
26:23
is that every time a new store is coming
26:26
to the city
26:27
that we are notified and you all are
26:30
notified that this
26:31
is coming and so then we can put it find
26:33
a place on the website to say
26:35
upcoming businesses new businesses um so
26:38
that we know
26:39
and that people won't be surprised to
26:41
see a sign go up
26:43
about a new business and we you know no
26:45
one really knew that it was coming
26:49
good idea
26:52
anybody got any questions for phil
26:59
just a quick question regarding um where
27:02
the money goes for the fines so i'm
27:05
assuming
27:07
which i don't like to do um for the
27:09
building department that money
27:11
if they have an enforcement issue it
27:12
comes directly to the city and doesn't
27:14
go to the court
27:15
but anything with police related would
27:17
have to go to the court first
27:21
i'm sorry liz so you took a building and
27:23
beach
27:24
i apologize well if i gotta find for
27:27
a traffic i know that i would go to the
27:29
long beach police department
27:31
but if i gotta find my lawn being
27:34
outrageously and i've got vermin etc
27:38
i'm assuming scott's going to give me a
27:41
fine and i have to pay directly to the
27:43
city of long beach and i don't go to a
27:45
court
27:46
or is there a building port oh i can
27:49
i can jump in a little bit if you want
27:52
okay
27:53
it's rich um so
27:57
i think what you're asking uh liz
27:59
whenever
28:00
whenever i'll i'll give you the division
28:02
so if you're written up for a vco
28:04
or or a ticket everyone goes to city
28:07
court
28:08
city court basically has jurisdiction
28:10
over everything
28:11
from a misdemeanor and under when you're
28:15
fined or when you issue a summons or
28:16
citation
28:17
our office prosecutes anything under a
28:20
misdemeanor
28:21
um so if you're fined let's say from the
28:24
if you receive a summons or uh
28:26
or a notice of violation from the
28:28
building department and you're
28:29
prosecuted and found guilty
28:32
the court imposes that fine and then a
28:34
portion that that fine is then remitted
28:36
or remanded to the city
28:38
depending on uh what the violation is
28:40
there are certain surcharges that must
28:42
go to the state
28:44
um and that's something that we can't
28:46
control uh
28:47
so it's like a like a vtl or a moving
28:49
violation for example
28:51
there's typically like an 88 dollar
28:52
surcharge for uh for running a red light
28:54
in addition to the fine that you pay
28:56
which is remanded to the city
28:59
so i hope that helps
29:04
i'm g liz you were muted but i'm going
29:06
to assume that means you
29:08
got you the answer you wanted just give
29:10
me a thumbs up
29:14
okay uh all right mike
29:18
yeah goodbye okay i phil i have a bunch
29:21
of questions
29:22
so i i don't expect that you'll know all
29:24
the answers tonight but
29:26
i'll shoot them out i can make
29:31
can you do them one at a time by doing
29:34
one at a time
29:35
yeah i get
29:38
i'm getting
29:42
um
29:45
you're getting confused on what i'm
29:47
asking i haven't asked anything yet
29:48
well exactly i'm confused so when you
29:52
ask them all at once it's
29:53
confusing so just ask them ask one at a
29:55
time so we can write the answers then
29:58
i'd like to know the short term and long
30:01
term plan
30:02
for the board war will closures continue
30:06
at 9 00 pm or can we relax them
30:09
um to
30:13
11 p.m 12 p.m or just knock that off
30:17
entirely right so obviously the city
30:20
manager and city council
30:22
make that ultimate decision if you want
30:24
my input and i think i addressed it
30:26
earlier mike
30:27
you should absolutely keep the modified
30:29
hours in place
30:31
and then it's i hate to use the word
30:33
fluid but it's fluid
30:34
we'll see what happens october 1 and
30:36
then
30:38
if the city manager asks my opinion the
30:40
city council i'll tell you what i think
30:41
enforcement-wise what i see
30:43
but for now i think it would be a
30:45
tremendous mistake to relax
30:47
anything we have to keep our foot on the
30:49
gas
30:50
um for the next for next month at least
30:53
and see where we go but
30:55
um if we if we try and pull back and
30:58
roll back
30:59
what we've done it could be really bad
31:02
and that's
31:02
that's my law enforcement opinion okay
31:06
because keep in mind the questions i'm
31:07
going to ask have been asked of me
31:09
so sure of course
31:12
okay mike and i i want to respond to
31:15
that question as well
31:16
so the boardwalk is closed at nine
31:19
o'clock
31:20
and i have had to call um
31:23
phil to have people go down to the beach
31:27
after 10 or 11 o'clock because we have
31:30
several youth on the beach
31:34
loudly um residents are complaining
31:37
and so can you imagine if the boardwalk
31:40
was open
31:40
that's where they'll be um and
31:43
so it i mean when we go i see the cars
31:47
go by
31:48
at nine o'clock at night and they're
31:50
taking people off the beach
31:52
um and saying you gotta leave you're
31:54
supposed to leave at eight o'clock
31:55
so we just have to be mindful one while
31:58
we close
31:59
or why we change the hours in the world
32:03
um and then if we change them back
32:06
how will we deal with large crowds
32:08
because some of these kids are still
32:10
going to the beach
32:13
even after hours okay um
32:20
have uh phil have you issued any
32:24
violations
32:25
for being on the beach and or the
32:27
boardwalk
32:29
after either 8 p.m or 9 p.m
32:33
yes i i don't have the numbers in front
32:35
of me the stats we we try and do
32:37
uh compliance we're just giving you know
32:39
verbal warnings and just tell them to
32:41
get off
32:42
but there have absolutely been summonses
32:45
issued
32:46
uh for that for those who do not comply
32:48
voluntarily
32:50
and we try and do it that way i can say
32:53
and i'm out there a lot at night the
32:56
crowds have kind of fallen into place
32:58
and they know when we go up and down at
33:00
eight o'clock
33:02
on the beach they're really clearing out
33:04
and at nine o'clock they're doing the
33:06
same
33:06
it's kind of they've they've know it's
33:08
the new normal and
33:10
and the groups that are out there are
33:12
really minimal
33:13
um we have issued summonses mike i don't
33:16
have the number
33:17
um but we do do it right
33:20
yeah i'm just trying to think is this a
33:22
locational issue
33:24
center it down or is it all over town
33:27
it's it's all over it's the it's the
33:29
boardwalk and all the town we have a big
33:31
issue
33:32
as don said unfortunately our enter the
33:34
town
33:35
um by the azores that's a big issue
33:38
because they go back and forth uh you
33:40
know between lido and us
33:42
and you can get on through lido come
33:43
around and we have the same issue on the
33:45
west end you come over from eab
33:48
and you work your way over so that's a
33:49
problem but the boardwalk is like a
33:51
magnet
33:52
people want to come up there but i can
33:54
say
33:56
it really has been um
33:59
minimal minimal they
34:02
the groups are getting it they know okay
34:04
these are the hours just like they did
34:06
with the
34:06
the um bicycling hours
34:09
at first it meant some resistance and
34:11
then eventually everyone kind of got it
34:13
okay
34:14
it was you know now it's changed again
34:16
but we first put it in place
34:18
10 am and they got their bike riding in
34:20
and left
34:21
and no one really kind of complained
34:23
they just knew that's the rules so
34:26
um i i don't think it's a huge problem
34:28
now i think
34:29
the groups are understanding it and um
34:32
that's the reason i say we should keep
34:34
it up because the minute you lift it
34:36
social media will go wild and you'll
34:39
have them all out
34:40
on the beach and boardwalk again
34:43
okay um and i don't know if this is your
34:48
answer phil or the question of the
34:49
galvanized steel
34:51
uh gates does that correct
34:57
okay that's time i'll see that for later
35:00
okay
35:00
okay um
35:08
there was a sign that went up recently i
35:10
noticed on new york avenue
35:11
uh about e-scooters
35:15
is that something that is new that we're
35:17
uh
35:19
we're enforcing the no e-scooters on the
35:22
boardwalk in addition to skateboards and
35:24
everything else
35:26
right um mike those songs these scooter
35:28
songs the regulations of the beach
35:30
didn't go up really recently they went
35:32
up beginning the summer
35:34
around memorial day or so the the long
35:36
songs you saw
35:38
um on the bottom it says no e-bikes um
35:41
that was ordered by the the prior
35:44
administration before i came into the uh
35:47
into this office but um it's been up for
35:50
probably three months at this point um
35:53
and it is illegal or unlawful
35:57
to have a scooter or an electric bike
36:01
on the boardwalk and it's a real hazard
36:04
i'm sure if you've been up there you see
36:07
there's this
36:07
there's some young men and women or some
36:09
older young men and women
36:11
driving the electric bicycles at a high
36:14
rate of speed
36:15
and we have a section that's already in
36:16
the municipal code sex you know uh
36:18
laws uh section 15 i believe dash 5a
36:23
which says you can't do that you can't
36:26
as a matter of fact i'd argue that you
36:27
can't even have it
36:28
present because what the people the
36:32
boardwalk goers who have an electric
36:34
bicycle will do is
36:36
they'll start pedaling and then they'll
36:38
you know if they see a special or a
36:39
police officer
36:41
and then they'll they'll put it on to
36:42
the next mode and they'll ride it
36:44
really fast the section we have
36:48
and it probably something for rich to
36:49
talk about but i believe
36:52
just simply having it up there
36:55
and propelling it by feet foot or not
36:59
is a violation um and and it's becoming
37:03
really problematic
37:04
and it's absolutely a dangerous
37:06
situation
37:07
i i i believe we need to get them off
37:09
the boards
37:13
um i think the other issues
37:18
um just in a simple statement is
37:22
and you you probably heard me mention
37:23
this once before phil
37:25
um issuing a thousand summonses is great
37:29
shows a lot of activity but i'm a money
37:32
guy
37:32
how much does it translate into money
37:34
and i know you don't know the answer to
37:36
that but
37:37
i think president bendo alluded to the
37:39
fact if we can get
37:41
some kind of correlation i think that's
37:43
liz's question too is if you when you
37:45
write a violation
37:47
how enforceable is it and
37:51
how does it change the behavior and the
37:53
city
37:54
collect the fine so that would be
37:57
helpful i think
37:58
liz did that right
38:02
i would ask a two-part question mike so
38:04
the first part
38:05
how does it change behavior you know i'm
38:07
a big believer like pavlov's dog
38:10
you know negative reinforcement does a
38:12
lot
38:13
and i believe on on the beach and on the
38:16
sand itself
38:17
when someone's on the beach doing
38:20
something that's not acceptable
38:21
and violating our rules and regulations
38:23
whether it be
38:24
you know drinking alcohol or having a
38:27
dog on the beach whatever it may be
38:29
um receive a summons they're
38:32
apprehensive to do it again and the work
38:34
kind of spreads
38:35
so as far as the actual um summons
38:37
itself
38:39
i believe that does a lot to correct
38:41
poor behavior
38:43
as far as the courts go we have two
38:46
judges
38:47
and they have the you know the
38:49
decision-making
38:51
power to decide what they're going to do
38:53
to adjudicated summons
38:55
we can reach out to the court and i know
38:57
they have the numbers and we can
38:58
figure out what our long beach court or
39:01
it's actually remember new york state
39:03
but what they're actually um doing as
39:06
far as
39:06
uh adjudicating the tickets and the
39:08
funds they're
39:10
um imposing and seeing how much money
39:12
that's bringing in
39:14
um but but on my end on law enforcement
39:17
and writing the summons itself
39:19
is huge because if you have that
39:21
omnipresence and if you're out there
39:24
and you believe if i do the wrong thing
39:26
there's going to be a special or police
39:28
officer out there giving me
39:29
summons you're going to be a little
39:31
apprehensive to do it
39:33
um and and you need to continue that
39:36
that type of enforcement
39:38
so as far as we go we can't really
39:43
do what we do saying well i wonder
39:44
what's going to happen down the road is
39:46
it really going to
39:47
get enforced we have to just write the
39:49
summonses
39:50
and and hope that when it gets to the
39:51
court that end of it
39:53
um they're prosecuted to the fullest
39:55
extent right
39:56
thank you and then the last question
39:58
i'll have because i don't want to take
39:59
up all the time
40:00
is the lpr readers they flag
40:04
um parking violations that are
40:06
outstanding or moving violations
40:09
um if somebody has let's say 20 parking
40:11
tickets
40:12
that they haven't shown up will that
40:14
show up on the lpr
40:15
reader that's question one and question
40:18
two in your opinion should we
40:20
move forward with some kind of booting
40:22
type of uh
40:23
to to disable a vehicle to force them to
40:27
pay their fines that's a great question
40:30
mike i actually have
40:31
and i in the last month i've done
40:33
exhaustive research on booting
40:35
and i have an entire procedure and
40:37
policy to put into place that i'm
40:39
about to present to all of you and the
40:42
city manager so yes
40:44
i'm a true believer in that and there's
40:46
a lot of
40:47
revenue to be generated we have a huge
40:50
amount of scoff laws out there
40:52
we in fact our plate reader uh can
40:55
read scor scarf laws so it can work
40:59
great
41:00
for us um and i'll send it out to you
41:03
tomorrow because it's in place
41:04
i just finished authoring the whole
41:07
policy
41:08
uh for booting cars and uh i want to
41:11
proceed with it
41:12
and i think it'll be really good to get
41:14
parking spaces open number one
41:16
with the cars that are scarf laws and
41:19
parked all over
41:20
uh broadway and beach street and park
41:22
avenue
41:23
get them out of there and it's also a
41:25
huge stream of revenue
41:27
um and i don't want to bore you with it
41:29
but i'll send it to
41:30
all the city council and city manager
41:32
and you can read it and see what my uh
41:34
procedure and policy is in regards
41:39
to ena as well because one of the things
41:42
we wanted to find out is how many
41:44
tickets
41:44
we had outstanding so we can do an
41:47
amnesty
41:48
day so people can clear up some of their
41:50
tickets before and then the threat would
41:52
be that if you don't clear it up we will
41:54
boot your car
41:56
that's a that's a great thought donner
41:58
and i actually i have the exact number
42:00
and all the data fees so i can send it
42:02
to you
42:02
actually tonight all right thank you
42:07
i feel like the last question
42:10
is it harder to boot or ticket um and
42:13
collect
42:14
out of state licensed plates such as
42:17
florida texas
42:18
georgia if if they are a scot floor are
42:21
there
42:22
differences when it comes to
42:23
out-of-state plates
42:25
no because the fun they have to pay is
42:27
the point that we're imposing on them
42:29
here so
42:30
i don't care what you know sorry i don't
42:32
really doesn't matter to me what your
42:34
plate says
42:35
the bottom line is if you want your car
42:36
back you're going to pay the fee that we
42:38
have here
42:39
or you're not going to get your car back
42:41
and just i'm looking at it now
42:43
just so you know it's 362 thousand
42:47
two hundred and sixty dollars worth of
42:49
scott scott law tickets
42:51
that are out that are outstanding
42:54
data management thank you 362 000 plus
42:59
thank you for that update i'm sorry i i
43:01
i hit you with so many questions but
43:03
you sound pretty prepared it's it's my
43:06
job it's my job mike i'm fine with it
43:08
but everyone asked me asked me
43:10
yeah and i ask questions not only for
43:12
myself but for others as well
43:14
thank you certainly of course
43:17
phil and mike i just wanted to chime in
43:19
so we
43:20
brought in approximately one million
43:22
dollars or a little bit over one million
43:24
dollars in fines last year
43:26
um through city court and uh
43:29
we were on track to actually beat it
43:32
until covet hit so we're hoping that we
43:34
will at least be at the same
43:36
level again and i'm sure with the
43:38
different innovative ideas that the phil
43:40
was just talking about you know we can
43:42
certainly bring in more money
43:45
thank you
43:53
anyone else got any questions for phil
43:58
um since mike hinted at it and
44:02
it kind of segues from what phil was
44:04
talking about with the
44:06
uh with the beach and the boardwalk why
44:08
don't we uh talk a little bit about
44:10
uh i guess what what some people have
44:13
dubbed gategate
44:16
um so obviously it's a couple of gates i
44:19
guess showed up on uh
44:20
on the boardwalk and social media
44:23
exploded about it so
44:24
can we get uh uh
44:29
what hap you know what they what they
44:30
are what they're for
44:32
i mean i can take a guess i'm guessing
44:34
they were probably
44:35
came out of those huge parties
44:39
we had on the beach but i'll let the
44:41
people know explain
44:43
i'll start um we had two large
44:46
parties of people come down i think and
44:49
both parties were over 800 people
44:52
the only way that we could keep people
44:54
off the boardwalk when needed
44:56
was to have gigs up just as we did when
45:00
colvin
45:01
that we had to block off the boardwalk
45:04
we put up the orange fencing
45:06
and um we know that we witnessing people
45:10
take the orange fencing down
45:12
go around put the orange fencing back up
45:15
and go
45:16
walk on the boardwalk or go to the beach
45:18
it was closed down because of colby
45:20
so the idea was that we would put up
45:23
fencing
45:24
for several different reasons but
45:27
we couldn't figure out what type of
45:29
fencing to put up so what has been going
45:31
up i think the very first one
45:34
that went up we have and uh mccanner can
45:37
tune in on this we have a very good
45:40
carpenter
45:41
so he put the first one up and nobody
45:44
was going around that fence
45:46
going over that fence nothing
45:49
and it had wills on it and we said you
45:51
know your craft work is very good but
45:54
that is not what we're speaking about
45:56
and so they took that one down then they
45:58
put up another one
46:00
um because we don't want people to
46:03
get hurt trying to go around it
46:06
um because we will have people trying to
46:09
go around the fence
46:11
as they as people do um so another one
46:14
went up
46:15
and then they had two sides of
46:18
plywood on each side and they
46:21
we took pictures and we said no that's
46:23
not it either
46:25
um so they took that one down and then
46:28
they put another one
46:29
up and once it was once we got it
46:32
together we were going to invite you all
46:33
to come down
46:34
to take a look but i wanted to remind
46:37
everyone
46:38
why and we talked about this why we
46:41
talked about putting the fences up
46:43
in the first place the problem is we
46:46
haven't found the right solution
46:48
so when people have been going through
46:50
social media saying
46:52
that you see defense that's one that's
46:54
what we're trying to do with we're
46:56
trying to find out
46:57
what we can do aesthetically so that it
47:00
looks good but it does what we needed to
47:02
do
47:03
so mr mcnally or mr canner you want to
47:05
take over from there
47:11
so i'll i'll jump in um before i get
47:14
that time
47:15
i'll i'll jump in first tommy before i
47:17
hand it over to you for more of the uh
47:19
the technical details on things but um
47:22
what i would just say is when we we
47:24
first announced
47:27
the need for the closings because we had
47:29
gatherings of
47:30
800 youths uh one weekend then the
47:34
police actually
47:36
stopped the party before it was
47:37
happening on a subsequent weekend and
47:38
then the following weekend we had a
47:40
crowd of 1200
47:42
um that also coincided with
47:45
a large number of drownings that took
47:46
place after hours on the beach because
47:48
the sheer number of people coming on
47:50
after hours starting at six o'clock when
47:52
the ticket takers were no longer there
47:54
um and saw the beach as an opportunity
47:56
to hang out for several hours
47:58
um so that's why we closed the beach at
48:00
eight o'clock so the proposition was if
48:02
you came after six o'clock you only had
48:04
two hours to be down there
48:05
and it made it less of an attractive
48:07
option plus when we swept the beach
48:10
um the boardwalk it was obviously the
48:12
ultimate to turn for no longer
48:14
having those two place to socialize and
48:15
hang out uh
48:17
the material that we had at our disposal
48:19
initially in order to
48:20
enact this was the snow fencing which is
48:23
what we've been using
48:24
really ever since but even when we
48:27
initially put that up we knew that was
48:28
not
48:29
going to be a viable solution moving
48:30
forward so
48:32
discussions internally with staff we
48:34
arrived at
48:35
uh a solution of the accordion gates the
48:37
kind of things that you would find at a
48:39
home depot when home depot closes down
48:40
an
48:41
aisle um and those were ordered we
48:44
initially thought that we would get them
48:45
in
48:46
approximately a week it ended up taking
48:48
closer to three weeks
48:50
um and obviously as we get further away
48:52
from the date of the initial incidents
48:54
everybody's memories fade about the the
48:57
urgency of the moment and the rationale
48:58
for why exactly we were pursuing options
49:00
along those lines so
49:02
uh what tommy has been doing and i'll
49:04
pitch it off to him since
49:05
is uh his staff even before they came in
49:09
uh donna spoke of the one big wall that
49:10
got put up on washington and that thing
49:12
was impressive as hell obviously
49:14
but not not not the look we were we were
49:17
going for here
49:19
um and i won't recap what donna was
49:20
saying but you know it's
49:22
we these these uh the the
49:25
the accordion fences came in uh we are
49:28
cognizant that if we if we
49:30
are going forward with this as a
49:31
solution that they would need to get
49:33
painted with a rust-oleum or something
49:35
along those lines that they could they
49:36
could stay longer
49:38
um but yeah what what with the public
49:40
and what what the what the council has
49:42
been seeing is
49:44
us trying to figure out what the
49:45
solution is you know because this could
49:46
be not just
49:47
for um you know not just for the
49:50
current issue at hand but if hurricanes
49:52
come along or some other reasons that
49:54
are unforeseen as to why we would need
49:56
to
49:57
you know be able to make the boardwalk
49:59
you know a secure
50:00
a secure location it gives us an option
50:02
for it so
50:03
if we can find the right fit we will
50:04
find the right fit and i think part of
50:07
the
50:07
point of this discussion tonight is to
50:09
check with the council if we have found
50:11
the right fit or if we need to keep
50:12
looking but
50:13
um tommy uh school me on anything else
50:17
that i may have missed please
50:19
no you hit it all like i was tasked with
50:22
uh
50:22
closing the boardwalk up and you know me
50:25
and my my staff wanted to get it done
50:26
right away so like you said we used the
50:28
material we had
50:29
it was definitely overbearing um the
50:32
snow fence people just knocked it over
50:33
so we have to keep
50:34
purchasing it and it's you know it takes
50:37
three rolls of snow offense to close the
50:39
whole boardwalk at 55
50:41
a piece and every night it gets wrecked
50:42
and we have to replace it
50:44
and i have to send my my staff up there
50:46
you know to tie it up and
50:47
it's not rocket science it's a little
50:49
involved we then
50:51
put up the barricades like the police
50:53
barricades
50:54
but we have to pad lock them to the
50:56
railings and when people climb over them
50:58
or they push on them
50:59
it stuffs the railing up the board looks
51:01
beautiful the railing
51:03
it's a polished aluminum we all know how
51:04
good it looks and it's starting to get a
51:06
little beat up
51:07
so as you said john we
51:11
went to a vendor that's on a state bid
51:14
it was the fastest way to purchase
51:16
something on a more permanent basis
51:18
something that would be durable and uh
51:21
councilman delore you touched on
51:23
on the gates they're uh they're a
51:25
galvanized steel that's correct
51:27
and eventually they will rust but as
51:29
john said we were going to paint them
51:30
with a rust-oleum
51:32
we all know everything in long beach
51:33
eventually rust the only other option
51:35
would be stainless steel
51:37
and that's the money that they want for
51:39
that is five times what we paid for
51:40
these gates to galvanize
51:42
it's just saying and eventually they'll
51:44
rush too just take a little longer
51:46
our only other option to make it you
51:49
know aesthetically pleasing
51:50
is to do something like the bulwark
51:53
railing a polished aluminum
51:55
but that we would have to hire an
51:56
outside vendor put it out to bid
51:58
because the cost would be astronomical
52:00
it looked beautiful
52:02
but there would be a lot involved in
52:04
there would be engineered drawings
52:05
they'd have to weld it to the boardwalk
52:08
and if we ever decided we didn't want it
52:10
to take it down we we'd have to hire
52:12
somebody to take it down and it would it
52:13
would never be the same
52:15
so if we're going to close the boardwalk
52:18
i think this is probably our best bet if
52:21
everyone's on board to use these gates
52:24
um like the city manager said we we
52:27
dumped it down to about
52:29
18 inches on each side we can paint that
52:32
wood we can we can cap it with something
52:34
and then paint the steel gates and one
52:36
of the reasons that we went with this
52:38
it's six foot high so nobody's going to
52:39
climb over it and
52:41
with the system we have in place a child
52:44
can do it
52:44
i don't have to send anybody up there
52:46
with tools it doesn't acquire overtime
52:48
it doesn't acquire any
52:49
specialty staff you know a 12 year old
52:52
child
52:53
can just close the gate and put a
52:54
padlock on it so that was the thinking
52:56
with the gates
53:02
i hope i covered everything any
53:03
questions
53:06
so it sounds like we we sort of this
53:08
there's two separate issues
53:10
to deal with a the the need
53:15
to be able to close or isolate the
53:17
boardwalk
53:18
and then if that if we did that the
53:21
aesthetics of
53:22
how we do that um
53:26
i i guess you know obviously the beaches
53:29
around us
53:30
nickerson and jones beach and others
53:33
have the advantages of they just
53:35
close the gate to the parking lot and
53:36
that pretty much isolates
53:39
the beach we don't we clearly don't have
53:43
that
53:43
so i guess it's it's a balancing act of
53:46
um uh you know for us the boardwalk is
53:51
sort of the people's yard for a lot of
53:53
people
53:54
so uh finding a balance of giving people
53:57
access
53:58
to the to the boardwalk but being able i
54:01
guess if we have to
54:03
i guess it's really not been an issue
54:05
before but we're in some unique
54:07
circumstances now but uh
54:11
do we need to be able to isolate it i
54:13
guess that's
54:14
that's the one and then the other is
54:16
like i said if we do it how we do it
54:18
uh i think john i think you make it you
54:21
really
54:21
dissected the issue there's the first
54:23
issue of
54:24
you know is there a need to be able to
54:26
shut you
54:28
easily shut down the boardwalk and i'm
54:30
becoming more and more convinced that
54:31
there is a need
54:32
unfortunately in this at this uh day and
54:35
time
54:36
where um we have assets to protect the
54:38
boardwalk
54:39
the residents we don't have the luxury
54:41
to have 24
54:42
7 um police protection at every entrance
54:46
if 800 people decide to come one night
54:49
and that um we have a responsibility to
54:52
protect it
54:54
and that maybe this is the time where we
54:56
uh
54:57
we unfortunately the la you know days
54:59
have passed are
55:00
are gone and we might have to be able to
55:03
quickly secure the boardwalk
55:10
um tommy what street is this
55:14
um is it currently on that if we wanted
55:18
to take a look we can go and take a peek
55:20
to laurelton boulevard one more
55:24
what what boulevard laurelton boulevard
55:27
walton okay thank you
55:29
you're welcome so so tommy as far as the
55:32
as
55:32
if we did something as far as the as the
55:35
aesthetics of it go
55:37
and maybe this also goes to the fact
55:38
that uh
55:40
since mike brought it up the that it's
55:42
galvanized
55:44
steel um
55:47
however it's anchored to the boardwall
55:49
like now at laurelton you said you got
55:51
the thing down to six inches it just
55:52
looks like a couple of columns
55:54
on on either side of the ramp which you
55:56
like you said you could cap with azac or
55:58
something to make it look nice
56:00
but um might it make sense
56:03
for both visuals so it doesn't look like
56:07
we have these
56:09
gates just hanging there when we may
56:11
only need them very infrequently
56:14
um could they be could they be
56:17
something be built where they're inside
56:20
like uh
56:21
a little cabinet type structure that's
56:24
closed and then
56:25
when they are needed they're pulled out
56:27
of that cabinet so they're not
56:29
visible yes 100
56:33
100 that's that's the end game
56:36
we just what you see now when you look
56:39
at it
56:39
it's just it's the the 18 inches of
56:43
plywood with a few studs you know
56:45
for for the stability and we just put
56:47
the plywood on top of it so it does
56:49
look it does look uh you know unfinished
56:52
but we said let's put it up and once
56:55
everyone's in agreement
56:57
city manager city council that that's
56:59
what we're gonna do we'll do exactly
57:00
what you said john we'll paint the gates
57:03
the color
57:04
that you guys choose and we'll stick it
57:06
right inside the cabinet like you said
57:07
it'll be finished it'll look nice
57:09
nobody will see it until the gates are
57:10
pulled out so yes we can definitely do
57:12
that that's a great idea
57:14
yeah and it might give them some weather
57:15
protection as well
57:17
um i mean i guess theoretically we could
57:19
even if we wanted to get really fancy
57:21
make these things look like almost an
57:23
archway
57:23
into the onto the boardwalk from the
57:26
ramp
57:28
we can definitely do that you guys tell
57:30
me what you want and i'll make it happen
57:32
because i i know okay i'm thinking out
57:35
of the box a little here because one of
57:36
the gripes we get often is people don't
57:38
know what block they're walking past
57:40
because the street signs seem to not
57:42
always be there so we could even
57:44
potentially if we build it like an arch
57:46
but the street name
57:48
for that particular ramp on there so
57:50
people know where they are
57:52
just remember to do that what's that we
57:55
can definitely
57:56
go ahead i'm sorry just remember those
57:58
surfboards however people carry them
58:01
yes oh yeah yeah true
58:06
we do have signs already that
58:09
were purchased um with money from sandy
58:13
and we we finally got them a couple
58:15
years ago
58:16
they're sitting in my shop we just have
58:18
to make a frame around that we have
58:20
signs that would go when you're coming
58:22
on the boardwalk you would know what
58:23
street you're on to your point
58:25
when you're coming off the beach up to
58:27
the boardwalk you would know where you
58:28
are
58:29
so we have and we have at the end of the
58:31
ramp i think there's three signs for
58:32
every boulevard so we already have that
58:34
we wouldn't have to spend money on it
58:37
all right so so yes all right so if we
58:39
do this we could certainly
58:40
it sounds like from an aesthetic
58:43
perspective we can
58:46
people probably won't even know there's
58:47
gates there we can
58:49
build something nice looking that they
58:51
won't even notice gates there
58:53
that's correct and then when the time
58:55
comes like i said
58:57
anybody could just pull the gates out
58:59
and paylock them together
59:01
and and i guess maybe this is on low for
59:04
you tommy or john i guess it's you said
59:07
you ordered these so we already have
59:09
these gates on hand
59:12
yes okay if for all the beach entrances
59:15
we have enough for all of them
59:17
yes okay now this is just along the
59:20
boardwalk though i assume it wouldn't
59:21
cover the west end as well right
59:24
that's correct okay correct so the gates
59:27
were
59:27
a little over seven thousand dollars for
59:30
you know all of them combined to cover
59:31
the entire what is it 14 entrances to
59:33
the boardwalk tommy
59:35
there's 19 with some blocks have two
59:37
ramps
59:38
and we bought one extra it was easier to
59:40
buy 20 than 19 for some reason
59:43
or cheaper i should say and we have one
59:46
extra
59:47
so i mean i think the other thing i
59:48
would just take into consideration tommy
59:50
is we're
59:51
looking at and council if we're looking
59:53
at various prototypes or
59:55
iterations of this we just have to scope
59:59
out
59:59
what the other costs would be associated
60:01
with it as we build it into beautiful
60:03
archways
60:05
so that we can analyze the cost benefit
60:08
um
60:11
well it's not only for the purpose at
60:14
least from where i sit i'm
60:16
now i got my engineer hat on it's not
60:18
just the aesthetic purposes
60:19
it's protecting the gates from the
60:21
elements as well so they last longer
60:24
whereas if they're outside and exposed
60:26
the
60:27
you know they are going to rust um
60:30
they are going to rust faster
60:33
so um i i i would also
60:37
um obviously we're not going to make any
60:39
kind of decision here but i think uh
60:43
it would probably also uh be good to
60:45
afford the public an opportunity to
60:47
provide some input on this
60:49
maybe at a good at a good welfare um
60:54
you know they should have some uh uh
60:56
some input on this as
60:57
as well um obviously that's not tonight
61:00
so
61:01
uh maybe at a council meeting or
61:03
something uh
61:04
they can come up
61:09
yep mike um thank you tom
61:13
um the questions i have are
61:19
president bendo answered it if you don't
61:21
see it you don't know it's there
61:22
but if you have a you know six feet of
61:24
plywood
61:25
um it sticks right in your face and the
61:29
atac
61:30
is is good i i would just ask my fellow
61:33
council members before
61:34
anything is decided going forward for
61:37
the entire
61:38
whatever that we get a chance to look at
61:41
the prototype
61:42
of what you're thinking and others are
61:45
thinking of doing
61:47
so we can understand it before it goes
61:50
up there
61:51
and then we find out
61:54
we can do that we can build we can build
61:57
something
61:58
in my shop we'll we'll knock something
62:00
up a finished product
62:02
so we can set something up where
62:04
everybody can come down
62:05
and see exactly what it's going to look
62:07
like before it goes on the boardwalk
62:09
i can do that thank you tom and the
62:12
other
62:12
which we can't do right now because it
62:14
sounds too expensive is
62:16
a fluid type of look similar to the
62:19
current railing that may be for you know
62:21
future years but
62:22
if this is a need long term i mean year
62:25
one year five
62:26
that's something we may think about but
62:29
thank you
62:30
um that's all i have john okay
62:33
what i will say is that we did take into
62:36
consideration the cost
62:38
uh when we knew that we needed to put
62:40
the uh the gates up we took in
62:41
consideration the cost of the gate
62:43
and to um to have everything done
62:47
in-house versus having a company
62:50
and then giving us these elaborate gates
62:52
that at this point and
62:53
probably for the next five years we
62:55
won't be able to afford to do
62:57
um but i agree we will make sure that
63:00
there's a prototype after
63:02
the five years is up five or ten years
63:04
is up that we can
63:06
show a prototype of what needs to be put
63:08
up there
63:09
um just not everybody needs to be aware
63:13
it's not just for large parties that go
63:15
out it's also
63:16
if we ever have another pandemic and we
63:20
have to close
63:21
down for any reason whatsoever we have
63:23
to be ready
63:29
okay uh it just this is just a minor
63:32
detail
63:33
uh tom do we tommy do we have uh um
63:36
like extra ebay wood lying around that
63:38
you could cap these things with so it
63:40
matched the boardwalk
63:43
i have some but not nearly enough to do
63:46
to do that
63:47
okay okay
63:50
all right all right anyone else
63:54
uh got any questions on this
64:01
no thank you tommy you're welcome thank
64:04
you guys all right
64:05
thanks tommy you're welcome
64:08
uh okay let's see what time is it anyway
64:12
all right 806. uh
64:15
all right let's let's keep going how
64:18
about um
64:22
oh yeah uh let's talk about a little bit
64:25
about
64:26
tuesday's council meeting
64:31
you know we've been trying to get back
64:33
to doing live meetings i mean
64:36
obviously the last meeting when we had
64:39
switched
64:40
over to zoom that that was a leap
64:42
forward from
64:43
the old system under webex where people
64:46
were submitting questions
64:48
and writing in advance and then we were
64:51
taking a lot of time
64:52
uh putting together answers in writing
64:55
um
64:56
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64:57
you know zoom kind of made it so we
64:59
could take live questions
65:01
and live good and welfare so that was a
65:04
big step forward
65:05
and then i guess we were hoping to maybe
65:07
migrate we even had talked about it
65:09
potentially for this meeting but
65:11
migrating
65:12
to back to live meetings but
65:15
now the governor has extended the
65:18
executive order through
65:19
october uh i don't know if that's in
65:22
anticipation of him thinking our numbers
65:24
are going to start
65:24
spiking because they are around much of
65:27
the other country and the
65:28
and the the flu season and the
65:32
the colder weather might cause the
65:33
numbers to spike
65:37
but technically we could still hold a
65:40
meeting that has
65:42
a maximum of 50 people uh today
65:46
the city manager and john and i
65:50
and uh and rich were in the chamber
65:52
trying to figure out some logistics if
65:55
we were to do a live meeting
65:57
how many people could we fit in there
65:59
how would we make it work
66:00
um the problem
66:04
is uh we can probably only get
66:07
if you count take staff out of it
66:11
um staff and the council out of it we're
66:14
probably
66:15
limited to about 25 people that could
66:18
attend
66:19
a meeting so that of course
66:22
raises an issue of how do you decide who
66:24
those 25 auto
66:26
is it first come first serve do we do a
66:28
lottery
66:30
um so there's that issue the other issue
66:33
is
66:34
we only have one functioning elevator in
66:36
city hall and there's not supposed to be
66:38
more than two people at a time
66:39
in it um so that's going to create
66:43
issues getting the people up to the
66:45
chamber
66:47
then there's the um
66:49
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66:51
protocols for if somebody comes up to a
66:54
mic
66:55
to speak then we have to have somebody
66:57
there that's going to
66:58
sanitize or wipe down the mic afterwards
67:01
that now means we have to have staff and
67:03
air on overtime i assume that means then
67:05
we also have to be sanitizing the
67:07
elevators and the bathrooms
67:09
up on the sixth floor during the course
67:12
of the meeting
67:13
as people are using them um
67:15
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67:17
also all the the the pews where people
67:20
will be sitting would have to be
67:21
sanitized again that's
67:22
staff and overtime
67:26
so um i guess the question comes for
67:31
tuesday that we need to think about
67:34
is we seem to have zoom seems to have
67:37
solved a lot of the issues where people
67:39
can
67:39
participate live
67:44
so that's a good thing it still doesn't
67:47
necessarily place being in a room face
67:49
to face
67:49
but there's still quite a few logistical
67:52
challenges
67:53
uh probably the foremost being how do
67:56
you decide
67:57
if you got 50 people that want to come
67:59
in and we can only fit 25
68:00
how do you decide who gets in um plus
68:04
there's actually going to be a cost to
68:06
the city
68:08
for the overtime for those people that
68:09
have to do the cleaning and the
68:11
sanitizing
68:12
um throughout the course so
68:16
i guess it beckons a question of
68:19
should we um
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68:23
at least for tuesday and then it gives
68:24
us a little time to see how things
68:26
migrate uh for the for the what would be
68:29
the first meeting of october but
68:31
um uh
68:35
should we should we try to do live or
68:37
should we stick with
68:38
with zoom um one of the things you have
68:41
to keep in mind
68:42
is that if you do live you as you said
68:45
you are
68:46
maxed out at 25 people if you do
68:49
zoom you can reach a bigger population
68:52
of the city
68:53
that can ask questions um
68:57
because they can ask questions through
68:58
zoom so we can we can ask
69:01
more than 25 can see because if we do it
69:04
live we won't be
69:06
taking well we won't be taking questions
69:08
written questions either way
69:09
but more people can be involved
69:13
uh via zoom than if we did it live and
69:16
one of the other things um because mike
69:19
came
69:20
in also today and we talked about
69:23
if someone comes in and there we put
69:26
let me go back in the chamber on the
69:28
pews we put
69:30
stickers to say where you should sit to
69:33
be six feet apart
69:34
however we didn't take into
69:36
consideration if
69:37
two people in the same household comes
69:40
and they sit
69:42
that throws the whole schematic off
69:44
because you have to be six feet apart
69:46
um it was suggested that we asked people
69:50
to who come in in uh two or more to sit
69:53
in the back
69:54
so we don't throw the schematic off we
69:56
do every other role
69:58
um so again as you said we have some
70:01
challenges that we really have to kind
70:03
of work out
70:08
yeah yeah john and donna i did
70:11
i i would really like to until i was
70:15
looking at the
70:16
layout today of what it would look like
70:20
if we moved to a open meeting john benno
70:24
described
70:25
the everything all the problems with the
70:29
cleaning cleansing microphone the layout
70:32
there's also as you enter the building
70:36
whatever time it is you have to get your
70:38
temperature checked
70:40
and you have to be logged in and there's
70:42
there's
70:43
it's a very labor-intensive process
70:47
which is costly so
70:50
as much as i would love to see it
70:54
i don't think we can my only opinion is
70:58
knowing i'd like to i don't think it's
71:00
possible at this point but
71:02
um but donna thank you for allowing me
71:05
to stop in
71:06
later on earlier today just to see
71:09
the effort that went in to try to make
71:11
it happen
71:12
and i and the elevators and everything
71:16
else but that's
71:21
well mike thanks for coming in because
71:23
you actually brought up a couple of
71:25
things that we hadn't even discussed
71:27
um making sure that things were
71:29
sanitized
71:31
on a regular basis so
71:34
thank you for stopping by
71:39
anyone else uh liz so
71:43
we only did the zoom one time with
71:46
the public so it i think we could try
71:50
give it another shot which
71:53
would would give at this time
71:57
people would have more information that
71:58
we are actually doing a zoom
72:00
where before maybe they just thought it
72:02
was webex again and we would be reading
72:06
into
72:08
for the record so-and-so asked a
72:10
question and you'll find it up on the
72:11
website
72:12
this way now that they have more
72:17
more time they'll know that instead of
72:19
going to city hall i'm going to go to
72:21
zoom
72:22
and most people have a smartphone you
72:26
can download
72:28
the app and do it that way
72:32
i'm saying that we're let's just give it
72:34
another try for
72:36
the month of september and let's see if
72:38
the governor lifts the rule
72:39
then we go back and
72:42
then we go back in october
72:47
yeah i mean um well roy lust is probably
72:50
watching right now he could
72:52
he could speak in his pajamas i guess uh
72:55
at good and welfare if he wanted yeah
72:58
but it gives
72:59
everyone the opportunity to speak i've
73:02
been
73:02
i mean assuming that we've all been in
73:05
zooms
73:06
i've been in a zoom class with 150
73:09
people
73:10
it's it's manageable once you get to
73:13
know
73:14
the programming and people learn how to
73:17
use their computer a speaker view
73:21
versus everybody's on the screen at once
73:23
or
73:24
everyone is just one big head
73:28
all right karen scott you got any
73:30
thoughts or
73:32
i have a question when you were
73:34
outlining
73:35
uh the amount of people that are allowed
73:36
to be in the chamber
73:38
does that take into account for example
73:40
if i'm applying for a parking variance
73:44
do i come out of the number of people
73:46
who would be there who want to
73:48
watch a meeting or speaking home welfare
73:50
or
73:51
is that a separate pool do i eat into
73:54
the 25 or 50
73:55
people no we we assumed um
73:58
we assumed the five council members the
74:00
corp council the city manager
74:02
and about five other staff that would
74:05
come in
74:06
to typically to speak on the various
74:09
resolution items
74:11
um so you know there was
74:14
we we estimated you know around 12 uh
74:17
on that and then the space because
74:20
remember we're not we can't all be up on
74:22
the dais
74:24
so what we would have to have is uh the
74:26
layout was probably going to be
74:28
something along the lines of three
74:29
people up on the dais
74:31
one in the middle one on either end uh
74:34
dave in his usual
74:35
spot kind of that middle level and then
74:37
we'd have to put
74:38
uh uh some of the council members then
74:41
down at the floor level
74:43
but they would have then have to be far
74:45
enough away from the podium
74:46
so if people came up to the podium to
74:48
speak they're not within six feet of
74:50
each other
74:51
so because of doing that that eliminated
74:54
the use of the first
74:56
row of of the seats because that was too
75:00
close then to the council members
75:02
so once you started laying it out
75:06
it it turned out we could probably get
75:10
about 25 people so my question would be
75:12
out of those 25
75:14
if number two on the agenda that night
75:16
was parking variance for whatever spot
75:19
and i'm the person applying for the
75:20
parking variance am i
75:23
out of that 25 or is it a separate
75:25
number
75:26
or am i taking somebody else's spot
75:28
you're included in that 25.
75:31
and so just so you know um john when
75:34
mike and i went
75:35
up we actually you we're gonna lose
75:37
probably the first two
75:39
first two the first three rolls because
75:42
when you put the podium in the middle
75:45
nobody can be sitting on the
75:46
end because who's ever speaking has to
75:48
be six feet
75:50
from the person sitting on the pew
75:53
um so we had we would really have to
75:56
redo
75:56
how the fields are set up and where
75:59
we're putting the podium
76:01
right and the other issue i guess is if
76:04
somebody comes in to speak on a
76:06
whether it's a resolution item or go to
76:08
welfare
76:10
i guess like you really can't say to
76:12
them okay you had your chance to speak
76:14
on
76:15
item two on the agenda so you have to
76:19
leave
76:20
so somebody could come in and speak at
76:21
good and welfare in other words
76:24
technically it's an open meeting you
76:26
couldn't just say to someone you you
76:28
already spoke once you need to leave to
76:29
make room for someone else that's
76:32
we really i don't know if there's a
76:34
legal basis to do that
76:36
so once the 25 or so people
76:40
were in that's really it it's not like
76:42
we could cycle people through
76:44
well i guess if people decided to leave
76:47
on their own as a courtesy but
76:49
we have no guarantee people would do
76:51
that um
76:52
because they may want to speak on
76:54
multiple agenda items
76:56
and good and welfare so
76:59
um again that creates
77:03
uh more limitations on us
77:11
all right well uh
77:15
all right so i i guess i'll speak with
77:17
the
77:18
the city i know i mean there's no way we
77:22
can
77:23
there's no winning in this
77:26
but there will be more residents able to
77:30
have their voice listened to on a zoom
77:33
call
77:34
or zoom meeting whatever you want to
77:36
call it then
77:37
coming to city council and the chamber
77:41
and having your temperature taken and
77:44
then
77:45
you know people talk about big brother
77:47
i'm taking your temperature and now
77:49
you're say you have a temperature now
77:53
yeah no
77:56
yeah it would it would allow more people
77:59
to participate
78:00
as a zoom call at least given the
78:02
limitations we have right now
78:04
that is true um i mean like i said it'd
78:07
be nice to get
78:07
back to some normalcy of the live
78:09
meetings but there'd be a lot of
78:11
limitations
78:12
on what we could do because there's also
78:15
some equipment limitations
78:17
on uh we're not even sure we have all
78:20
the microphones or wireless mics we need
78:22
to spread them out
78:23
uh where people would be sitting um
78:28
so that that's that's another issue
78:31
so mike you put your hand up uh
78:35
um yeah i oh
78:38
on if we go to zoom which we're doing
78:40
now
78:42
would that allow when we get into good
78:44
welfare
78:45
50 or 100 people would more people be
78:48
possibly on a zoom call than
78:52
like 25 at the meeting so zoom would
78:54
probably be better
78:57
well zoom doesn't uh it depends on our
79:00
license i mean
79:02
okay so zoom our current license has
79:06
lets us go up to 100 participants
79:09
which clearly is more than we would be
79:11
able to get in the chamber
79:13
right okay you know you can get zoom
79:16
licenses that go up to much higher
79:17
numbers
79:18
uh as as well um
79:22
but uh yeah clearly more people would be
79:25
able to participate
79:26
via zoom right now
79:31
so all right
79:34
uh
79:37
i think the writing's on the wall on
79:39
this one but i'll talk with this
79:41
city manager in the morning and i guess
79:43
we'll make a final decision on
79:45
how we're going to proceed um
79:50
so uh oh i'm
79:53
i'm just are we finished with the
79:55
boardwalk beach update john i just
79:56
wanted to
79:57
know what we're gonna go with that to
79:58
later on uh
80:01
if there's yeah there's if there's more
80:02
to talk about we can certainly do that
80:04
yeah
80:05
so i just have a general question that i
80:07
just thought of and i don't know
80:09
um uh why don't we hold off then because
80:12
i
80:12
i know the chiefs on so when when he
80:14
starts talking
80:16
um oh and and joe's here too so i assume
80:18
that means we'll be talking about that
80:20
so why don't we save it for that
80:21
how about um uh
80:25
another topic of interest i guess uh
80:28
airbnbs
80:30
and uh that's great
80:35
what what do we do with them um hi
80:38
good evening uh council uh so
80:41
city manager asked me to look into
80:43
airbnb's and possibly how can we
80:45
tax them and get a cut of the revenue
80:48
so i looked into pretty much what's
80:51
happening across the country and mostly
80:52
in new york state
80:54
and every municipality is having the
80:55
same issue pretty much what do we do
80:59
the zoning issues uh is a
81:02
rental an illegal basement apartment is
81:05
it taking up an actual rental
81:07
um and also there's issues with our own
81:12
existing was that i have noticed as well
81:17
on the new york state law 1202 new york
81:19
state tax law
81:20
that codifies all municipalities within
81:23
new york state to collect the hotel
81:25
occupancy tax or an occupancy tax which
81:29
is a broader tax which applies to
81:31
all rooms for hire
81:35
in 1965 the city of long beach
81:38
passed section 124 which is the hotel
81:42
occupancy tax in the city but it appears
81:44
that our
81:45
hotels in the city do not collect that
81:48
attacks
81:49
uh possibly because it was never
81:50
codified by new york state
81:54
uh our hotel was a relatively new in the
81:56
past but
81:57
ten years or so it was it was budgeted
82:00
it was budgeted years ago and we tried
82:02
to collect it
82:02
but yeah it was never codified by the
82:05
state so there's no
82:06
i think legal authority i believe
82:08
corporation council is going to have to
82:09
look further into that
82:11
so that's a possible revenue stream
82:13
moving forward
82:14
and we could also update the law to make
82:17
it
82:17
an occupancy tax so if and when we want
82:21
to get the short-term rentals
82:22
we can include them in that also we
82:25
should do it
82:26
so the treasurer or the comptroller
82:28
collects the revenue not the state or
82:30
the county
82:30
uh there's eight other cities right now
82:33
that have been codified
82:35
and they have their fiscal officer
82:37
collecting the fee is not the state
82:40
so they can keep track of it
82:43
i think the city of beacon was recently
82:46
almost
82:47
almost past the law but they voted it
82:49
down
82:51
you know there's you know how do we can
82:54
we tax
82:56
uh something that's an illegal use so
82:58
that's a big legal question
83:00
i think corporation council has to look
83:02
into
83:04
uh also if we do legalize it as the
83:07
zonings as the neighbors
83:09
uh the safety inspections that hotels
83:13
have
83:13
that's also an issue uh it's
83:17
it's there's a lot and all
83:19
municipalities across the country
83:22
are having issues and some
83:24
municipalities when they try to pass
83:25
laws
83:26
uh airbnb's lawyers come right in and
83:29
get the litigation
83:30
and that drives up the cost to use and
83:32
try to collect a little bit of tax
83:35
um i know that's pretty much what i
83:38
found any questions
83:43
well i think the first thing i heard is
83:44
we got to get
83:46
whether this is our corp council office
83:48
or whoever we do it but sounds like we
83:50
need to get on our state senator and
83:52
assembly person
83:53
to get the state to approve the
83:57
occupancy tax
83:58
so we can start collecting that from the
84:00
uh from the hotels
84:02
yeah we have to do that and also update
84:04
our law as well
84:05
okay well right whatever we need to do
84:08
but
84:09
yeah we need to start doing that i mean
84:11
anybody that travels for business knows
84:13
you always
84:14
occupancy taxes are common occurrence
84:19
um in some places they are also
84:21
ridiculously high too
84:23
uh i think new york city is one of them
84:26
but
84:27
um but
84:40
everyone's on board on looking into and
84:43
going ahead and correcting
84:45
right okay and so then it brings
84:48
i guess the the airbnb's them
84:52
themselves um i mean you can go on
84:55
airbnb's website and see where the
84:57
properties are it's no secret
84:59
um yeah i was able to identify about
85:01
half of them
85:02
just by what pictures they had some
85:05
people put the front of their house with
85:06
the number
85:07
others a little bit more research
85:10
right so um
85:14
if i understand correctly technically
85:16
airbnbs
85:17
are illegal the way our charter is
85:20
written right now
85:22
so anybody doing it right so anybody
85:27
right so anybody doing it right now is
85:29
doing something illegal
85:31
that being said we know there's quite a
85:33
there's a number of people out there
85:34
doing it and have been for quite some
85:36
time
85:37
so i guess the initial issue at hand is
85:41
okay you know i think the city's been
85:44
kind of looking the other way
85:46
to some degree or hasn't been doing a
85:48
lot of enforcement on that
85:51
question is do you keep it illegal and
85:54
start
85:54
enforcing or do you just say you can't
85:59
stop it it's going to happen but
86:03
regulate it you know
86:09
we're specifically talking about airbnb
86:14
and there are other names well as vrbo
86:18
as well
86:18
verbo and others it's not just airbnb
86:23
my house and i put it up on that website
86:26
then i should be kicking into the city
86:29
some
86:30
some change is that our goal
86:33
possibly but you don't think
86:38
sorry well to raise points
86:43
we would have to legalize it it's not
86:45
legal right now right
86:46
well so we would we're looking to
86:49
legalize
86:50
airbnb which would be good for uh
86:56
and i'm going back in history i'm just
87:00
thinking i remember why there was a
87:04
we made not we but the city had a big
87:07
issue in the summertime with group
87:09
rentals
87:10
for some and i know in the west end
87:14
there were
87:15
30 people at one time in a house
87:19
i think i think it's a big leap right
87:23
now to say we're
87:24
ready to make um be or make these legal
87:27
that
87:27
yeah we're not we're not ready to do
87:30
that
87:32
there are about 15 counties through like
87:35
upstate
87:36
that are taxing them uh but not the
87:39
local municipalities so the the revenue
87:41
is going through the county even though
87:43
the airbnb
87:44
is generally probably considered illegal
87:48
in those local municipalities but the
87:49
counties are collecting
87:51
taxes on them there are companies that
87:54
work with airbnb and just get all the
87:56
revenue like airbnb every month hands
87:58
over a check
88:00
and they don't give any data where the
88:03
money's coming from what the occupancy
88:04
levels they just give
88:06
based on what revenue they collect and
88:09
it has worked out
88:11
for those municipalities believe i
88:14
believe there's a property management
88:15
company right on beach street in the
88:17
west end
88:18
um near near new york
88:22
no this one i found like a more of a
88:24
national
88:25
company that does it like much like we
88:29
have the uh foreclosure registry they do
88:31
they'll help laws and do stuff like that
88:33
uh
88:34
as well pretty much the same thing but
88:36
for the short-term rentals
88:38
so so for next steps i'd love to see the
88:40
research on the counties
88:42
upstate and see what sort of revenue
88:43
they collect and what sort of uh rules
88:45
they have
88:46
in their uh code okay
88:50
we don't jump in for just one second
88:51
just to answer liz's uh
88:54
question we actually have been
88:56
prosecuting more of them in the
88:57
30-person house i believe we actu we
89:00
just recently
89:01
prosecuted rich can probably elaborate a
89:03
bit more but
89:04
we have been prosecuting more of them
89:07
recently
89:08
so um so transient occupancy is what
89:13
the code kind of talks about it's
89:15
anything less than 30 days
89:16
and so our building department with our
89:18
zoning inspector
89:20
goes out and issues summonses and
89:22
violations for that and we prosecute
89:23
those in
89:24
the court the trouble um and actually
89:27
it's funny because uh
89:28
my colleague the illustrious mr lupo
89:30
made a good point
89:31
um offline to me is that essentially
89:36
you can't you can't catch someone in the
89:38
act unless someone reports it
89:40
because it's not illegal to advertise
89:43
at an airbnb it's illegal to rent it so
89:47
we're kind of at the mercy of the
89:49
goodwill the bad will of your neighbor
89:51
in that regard so as terms of
89:52
enforcement it really depends on
89:55
what the community does in terms of
89:56
reaching out to the building department
89:58
of the police department to say hey
90:00
someone's renting an airbnb here and
90:01
there's an absolute you know
90:04
crazy party going on there's 50 people
90:05
in this house and i'm losing my mind
90:07
because i have work in the morning
90:09
um so to that end you know i wouldn't
90:11
say the burdens on the community but if
90:15
if you need if you need enforcement or
90:16
something's bothering you you know for a
90:18
fact as an airbnb
90:20
call the cops call the police call call
90:22
the building department if it's during
90:23
daytime hours and someone will go there
90:25
and inspect
90:26
and we'll cite them is that the proceed
90:28
i'm sorry to jump in is that the
90:29
procedure rich so
90:35
i live next to a home
90:39
over the course of the summer
90:42
you hear you know you'll get email my
90:45
neighbor is having a party
90:47
but that's different than my neighbor is
90:50
never here and there are new people in
90:52
the house every week
90:54
and so they should be calling the
90:56
building department first
90:58
is that it all depends and that's what
91:00
you ask is kind of a circumstantial
91:02
question all these different things
91:03
arise in different ways
91:05
so what might start out as a noise
91:06
complaint from you liz or from your
91:08
neighbor
91:09
may very well turn into an airbnb
91:11
prosecution
91:12
because essentially what happens is at
91:14
night someone's throwing a party they're
91:15
disturbing the place
91:16
someone calls the police the police
91:18
respond and if
91:19
if the police get a sense after
91:21
interviewing the people at the house
91:22
that something's afoot
91:24
they call the zoning inspector uh to
91:26
come and the zoning inspector shows up
91:28
you know in the middle of the night if
91:30
he has to does his investigation and
91:32
if if you know if there's probable cause
91:34
there's a reasonable suspicion that
91:36
they've committed that crime
91:38
uh as long as the day you know sure as a
91:40
day is long uh
91:41
we will prosecute the violation to the
91:44
best of our abilities
91:46
thank you when you say a neighbor has to
91:48
report them
91:50
i mean if we if from an enforcement
91:54
perspective
91:55
if somebody's advertising whatever a
91:57
room a bedroom whatever for two hundred
91:59
dollars a night
92:01
and an investigator or enforcement
92:05
officer of some kind goes on and books
92:07
it
92:09
the there's that's you they've broken
92:12
the law
92:13
i guess the police used to call us what
92:15
sting operations or
92:17
remember the beach past sale on uh
92:19
craigslist
92:21
yeah that's good and i'll just give you
92:23
an interesting example before the
92:25
meeting i was i was
92:26
looking online there is a house on the
92:29
bay
92:30
in the west end that is being rented for
92:33
five thousand dollars per night
92:37
and it says it's great for corporate
92:39
events
92:40
for filming of movies or tv shows
92:44
it has six bedrooms they will
92:47
offer catering services to cater your
92:51
corporate events
92:52
that's a commercial enterprise
92:55
that's not even a house anymore that's a
92:57
commercial enterprise
92:59
that requires a mercantile license yeah
93:02
well
93:02
but but that being said what i'm saying
93:04
is is
93:06
there is some real hanging fruit out
93:08
there if we're gonna do enforcement
93:10
uh there was another place on the ocean
93:13
side in the west end that was two
93:14
thousand bucks a night
93:16
sure if if you'd like to authorize a
93:18
credit card for a sting operation we'll
93:20
book as many as you
93:21
well but what i'm saying is i mean it's
93:23
it's not hard to figure out
93:25
you know how to do the enforcement um
93:29
i i'm not a police officer you know so
93:31
or an enforcement officer so i mean i
93:33
i have to leave that to them but we know
93:36
who's doing it
93:37
to your point john i mean there's a
93:38
bunch of different options to take here
93:40
we can stay with the status quo and keep
93:42
transient occupancy
93:43
illegal and maybe ramp up our
93:45
investigation or our you know our
93:46
operation in terms of
93:48
um enforcing that law or we can
93:51
go the route of perhaps regulating it um
93:54
i know
93:55
jersey city took a step in regulating it
93:57
not too long ago as well so
93:59
um it'll be something i guess that the
94:01
council will have to consider
94:02
right because here's an issue to
94:04
consider too if you
94:06
if you legalize it and don't let's say
94:09
put a cap on a number of units
94:12
what's not to say we don't have 300
94:15
airbnbs suddenly in the city which now
94:18
creates exasperates the parking issues
94:22
um
94:26
you know then that i'm not sure again
94:28
with an airbnb
94:29
what kind of inspection criteria there
94:31
might be if they have to go through
94:33
building inspections fire inspections
94:36
you know any kind of safety inspections
94:38
um and how that might impact
94:40
the the city um
94:44
so there's a there's a lot of questions
94:46
we're clearly not answering them all
94:47
here tonight i think we're just starting
94:49
a conversation here tonight is all we're
94:51
doing
94:51
yes um i just want to ask rich um
94:54
don't we have a task force that is still
94:57
in place the police department that
94:58
people can report anonymously
95:00
if they believe whether it be airbnb or
95:02
illegal rentals or
95:04
what have you i believe we have a task
95:06
force they could report anonymously
95:08
this would fall on that as well you're
95:11
familiar i believe you're right scott
95:12
i'm not 100
95:13
sure if it's a dedicated task force but
95:15
i know that um
95:17
i've made a couple of complaints about
95:19
some noisy neighbors at certain points
95:21
and i didn't give my name
95:22
and they pretty much honor that during
95:24
when you call the desk and things like
95:26
that
95:26
um so there was i don't know i'm not 100
95:29
sure about the task force i think though
95:33
and there's a separate anonymous number
95:35
scott is correct
95:36
this way just unrelated if anybody feels
95:39
that whether it be an airbnb
95:40
or an illegal rental they shouldn't feel
95:42
as if they have to
95:44
put themselves or their family in
95:46
jeopardy if they're making a legitimate
95:47
complaint
95:48
that's going to be investigated so maybe
95:50
we can make that um
95:52
on our website uh just to remind people
95:56
disguise i still exist the numbers still
95:59
exist
96:00
um and so we can bring that out we can
96:01
put that out on the website
96:03
um if whatever you want to report
96:06
um without giving your name this is the
96:08
number you call
96:10
right yeah scott you're you're right and
96:12
i i remember
96:13
um when issues like that came
96:16
up uh the building inspector rich shu
96:20
would go out
96:21
and he was usually called out and
96:24
friday night saturday nights when when
96:26
these events happened
96:28
one person or one person recommended or
96:31
asked
96:32
just to your point how can i call
96:35
or email or report it
96:39
anonymously so my like next door
96:41
neighbor doesn't know i called in on
96:42
them that type of thing
96:44
so that's something that
96:47
if it exists i'd like to uh you know
96:50
either the phone number or the email
96:52
would be great
96:56
all right well like i said we're not
96:58
we're certainly not going to resolve
96:59
this tonight i think the idea is just to
97:01
uh
97:03
get get the discussion going uh
97:06
again i'm sure the public has some
97:08
strong thoughts on this as well
97:11
since this is can be on some blocks can
97:14
be a quality of life issue
97:17
if there's lots of rentals and again
97:20
it's it's taking a parking spots and
97:22
things like that
97:23
um and but then for some people it's
97:26
also
97:27
the flip side of that coin is it's
97:30
supplemental income they may need to
97:31
keep their home
97:33
so um there's there's a
97:36
there's a lot to unpack on this issue
97:39
and
97:39
uh so we're gonna need some data and uh
97:44
and then uh start start coming up with
97:47
uh
97:48
what's in the best interest of the city
97:51
so um like i said we're not going to
97:54
resolve it tonight but i thought it was
97:56
uh
97:56
something that's we we needed to at
97:58
least get it out there and get the
98:00
dialogue going
98:01
because it's it it's been one of those
98:05
the elephant in the middle of the room
98:06
that nobody talks about for a while now
98:09
we know it's out there we know it's
98:11
increasing
98:13
you know and uh and quite frankly long
98:16
beach is getting more and more popular
98:18
the last few years so
98:21
um and uh uh
98:25
if you read articles about it you see
98:27
there's whole areas where
98:30
people are just swooping in and buying
98:31
up properties to make them
98:34
strictly short-term rentals and nothing
98:36
else
98:37
you know they don't they never intend to
98:38
live in them
98:40
and yeah you know i don't know if that's
98:44
what we want uh
98:45
long beach to become so if i could there
98:48
was
98:49
definitely uh karen and scott's
98:52
recollection is spot on obviously um
98:54
there was a dedicated number and
98:56
email address for it i i don't want to
98:59
give it out right now because i just
99:00
want to make sure that
99:01
it's still active and goes somewhere
99:03
before doing so so
99:05
okay um we'll confirm that in the
99:06
morning or in the next
99:08
couple of days uh the telephone number
99:10
is still active
99:12
there it is yeah because we gave it to
99:14
somebody
99:16
okay so that one i'll give you that's
99:18
516
99:19
431 1000 extension 239
99:25
so right now we have several that that
99:28
house in the west end
99:30
that's going to be rented out for five
99:31
grand a night right
99:34
i'm sorry what was that we have a house
99:36
in the west end
99:37
that wants to rent for and so here comes
99:40
the other interesting thing is that
99:41
um i am i suppose there are real estate
99:45
agents in this town that know about that
99:50
uh i'm sure well look i mean it's no
99:52
secret that we have a real estate agents
99:55
in the town who make a lot of money off
99:57
of short-term rentals
99:58
during the season so maybe we should
100:00
talk to the chamber of commerce
100:02
about the fact that that our real estate
100:05
agents
100:05
are should not be advising short-term
100:07
rentals in this town
100:09
anymore well i i i think they know that
100:12
already
100:13
it's just again it's uh
100:17
enforcement it's something that's just
100:18
kind of yeah it's just kind of been
100:21
it's been there and you know
100:24
they dabble doing something about it but
100:26
haven't really been serious
100:29
so i guess it's up for us us to decide
100:31
if we're serious or not
100:33
well yeah but like i said there's a lot
100:35
to unpack i mean this this
100:37
this is a topic that could probably be a
100:38
meeting all in up
100:40
and of itself because like i said you
100:41
know this probably
100:43
should be before next season yeah oh
100:46
absolutely
100:47
absolutely because like i said it
100:48
creates there there are quality of life
100:50
aspects to this for the residents so
100:52
they
100:52
they should have a uh some input and
100:56
uh you know i we would probably have to
101:00
see what financial impacts they could be
101:02
going either way
101:04
so um but i don't know if the status quo
101:09
is the way to continue because it's just
101:12
you know like everywhere else there's
101:14
more and more it's happening more and
101:16
more
101:17
and it's completely unregulated and it's
101:20
it's some ways it's burdening the city
101:23
uh from a service perspective because
101:25
it's
101:26
again more people parking more uh people
101:29
on the beach
101:30
and um there is a cost to the city
101:34
and the cities and cities and residents
101:36
don't want their property taxes to
101:38
increase
101:39
well yeah so
101:43
all right uh because in the interest of
101:46
time why don't we
101:47
move on like i said we could uh
101:49
certainly schedule
101:50
uh another conversation about this
101:53
uh donna can we get a simone or whoever
101:57
can
101:57
uh john uh quick update on the mlk
102:01
that's simone
102:06
yep sorry try not mute
102:09
okay first i would just say i think we
102:12
kind of did a little introduction but
102:14
i'd like to welcome joseph lupo to our
102:17
office
102:17
uh as a new assistant corporation
102:19
council so i'll just start off with that
102:22
then as a second matter well as an
102:25
initial matter i think it's necessary to
102:27
clarify
102:28
the current status of the building uh
102:30
with respect to reopening as there seems
102:32
to be some missing
102:33
information circulating out there so
102:35
just to reiterate and just go over again
102:38
so in march the city
102:39
you know ended up closing the building
102:41
due to the governor's poor's order
102:43
and the building has remained closed to
102:45
the public since march
102:47
you know since it was never reopened it
102:49
couldn't have been recently shut down so
102:50
this seems to be some confusion as to
102:52
that
102:53
that question so the building is
102:55
currently close to the public
102:56
because it has not been reopened yet um
102:59
as we're you know aware there are
103:01
there's two types of services that are
103:02
generally provided in the building it's
103:04
recreational and educational
103:06
uh under the governor's reopening plan
103:08
uh limited recreation
103:10
was not permitted to reopen until phase
103:12
four plus as we're calling it because it
103:14
was a little bit later than phase four
103:16
uh and we didn't ran through phase four
103:19
until like we're at that point of phase
103:21
four until mid to late august
103:23
you know in addition educational uses
103:25
didn't start
103:26
and reopen in long beach until this week
103:28
so i just
103:29
just want to make everybody aware and
103:30
public aware of that because again that
103:32
seems to be some confusion
103:35
in addition in order to reopen you must
103:37
develop a site safety plan that is
103:39
specific to the type of activity and use
103:41
that's going to be going on in building
103:43
so you know with this it needs to be
103:45
specific to the recreational types of
103:47
uses and each
103:48
use if it's whatever it is you know one
103:51
has to be authorized by the governor so
103:53
if it's football for example football's
103:55
not yet authorized it might not be until
103:57
september october or
103:58
it were we don't know at this point um
104:01
you know but
104:02
all of the uses have to be approved and
104:05
permitted uses by the governor
104:07
at this stage of the game and you know
104:09
the site safety plan
104:10
needs to provide for each type of use
104:14
so it would apply to the recreational
104:15
uses every specific type
104:18
uh and also to the educational whatever
104:20
educational uses would be
104:22
would be conducted and office also
104:24
accommodate office use
104:26
so those are some things right there i
104:28
mean and as we just i think
104:30
kind of all got from councilman delore
104:32
the
104:33
he just explained a lot of the
104:34
guidelines just from our building alone
104:36
and how much
104:37
goes into these all these things that he
104:39
noted are part of our site safety plan
104:41
so taking your temperature when you come
104:43
in signing in
104:44
keeping a log for tracing purposes all
104:47
those different types of things go into
104:49
your site safety plan so this isn't
104:51
something that
104:52
can just be done haphazardly it also
104:54
can't be generic
104:56
or general because we need to make sure
104:58
we're accounting for each type of
104:59
activity and
105:00
keeping everyone safe and complying with
105:02
the governor's guidelines but i think
105:04
safety is is our
105:05
you know primary objective here so
105:09
just wanted to explain that in general
105:11
because as i said there seems to be a
105:12
lot of misinformation circle
105:14
circling around uh for every building we
105:17
have
105:17
every use that we have going the city
105:19
has developed its own site safety plan
105:21
specific to that use so city hall has
105:23
its own
105:24
our farmers market the pools the beach
105:26
and the boardwalk and they've all been
105:27
developed at different stages as we've
105:29
reopened
105:30
so you know with all this in mind going
105:33
back a bit
105:34
you know we had reached out to the mlk
105:36
center in late july
105:37
you know anticipating that if we were
105:39
going to go into these types of uses it
105:41
would probably be in late august
105:43
to the beginning of september and we
105:45
wanted to discuss you know the next
105:47
steps for reopening
105:48
because we knew we were going to have
105:50
all these requirements and also a new
105:52
lease for the space
105:54
as we have received inquiries from the
105:57
nassau county family services division
106:00
uh
106:00
basically for a new lease to ensure that
106:02
the mlk center continues to meet its
106:04
requirements for its grant funding and
106:07
you know we're able to help them be in
106:08
compliance
106:10
so as i said we reached out to them uh
106:13
they their board wasn't available to
106:16
begin discussions until
106:17
august and city officials and the entire
106:19
board did begin
106:20
you know discussions at that point uh
106:23
you know the mlk board also committed to
106:25
working on a programming schedule
106:27
for discussion so as i was saying a
106:29
programming schedule would include the
106:30
types of activities
106:32
so that we could better determine what
106:34
kind of site safety plan
106:36
you know we would need and help them
106:38
with developing a site safety plan
106:40
so you know both parties agreed to
106:42
continue discussions and several
106:43
schedules the subsequent meetings for
106:46
late august
106:47
um you know however then the board did
106:49
choose to
106:50
request an adjournment uh of our most
106:53
recent meeting
106:55
to seek legal assistance in moving
106:57
through this process because it you know
106:59
can be a little bit complicated
107:00
uh last friday late last friday
107:03
afternoon we did receive a draft
107:05
programming schedule and a generic site
107:07
safety plan
107:08
from the executive director
107:11
and uh we're currently reviewing the
107:12
materials and assessing the next steps
107:14
as some of the programs proposed um
107:18
are not scheduled or it seems like are
107:20
not scheduled to be
107:22
considered free for reopening until
107:23
later this month or early october
107:26
um and in addition to that the state
107:28
safety plan
107:29
is is not specific to the types of use
107:32
so it's kind of a generic
107:34
plan so additional discussions are going
107:37
to be necessary in order to work out
107:38
those details in those kinks
107:40
um you know in additionally we're
107:42
working on drafting a new lease
107:43
agreement
107:44
for a future use of facility to ensure
107:46
that everyone is in compliance with
107:48
certain requirements
107:50
and guidelines and that we're all being
107:52
good stewards
107:53
to the communities that we serve and
107:55
making sure
107:56
everybody's meeting their obligations
107:58
and doing what they're supposed to do
108:01
so that's an update
108:06
does anyone have any questions
108:12
um so my understanding is
108:16
the least has the current tenant
108:21
there's one tenant right now right so
108:24
and that
108:24
and that tenant is for lack of a
108:27
term i guess on a holdover for the old
108:30
lease it expired but
108:32
a new lease was never done so
108:35
they just kind of operating under the
108:37
old lease
108:39
so um sort of yes
108:43
but at this point pretty much
108:46
for certain funding requirements and i
108:48
guess newer funding requirements with
108:50
nasa county
108:51
uh there must be a current lease so
108:54
at this point you know it really is it's
108:56
necessary
108:57
one from our standpoint as i mean as you
108:59
know we are
109:01
evaluating all of our facilities and all
109:03
of our buildings
109:04
and we are making sure that they are all
109:06
in compliance that we have updated
109:07
leases
109:08
uh that the leases have been audited to
109:11
ensure that they have the most favorable
109:13
terms
109:14
for the city um and also this is part of
109:16
just the general audit and overv you
109:18
know
109:18
overall audit that ena is going through
109:21
in my office
109:22
and uh working you know with some of the
109:24
state comptroller's recommendations
109:27
so yes so for multiple purposes one also
109:30
that we need to come into compliance and
109:32
we
109:32
also need to to to be
109:36
doing what we should be doing and being
109:37
accountable as this council has
109:39
committed to doing
109:41
and also to help i mean they nassau
109:44
county requires a current lease so
109:46
this also helps that not for profit as
109:49
well
109:49
so when did the lease expire
109:53
the lease expired quite some time ago
109:57
um we're talking over a decade
110:03
it's been more than 10 years they've
110:04
been put out it's been yes
110:06
many more than 10 years been 25 years
110:10
john approximately yeah 25 years or 20
110:12
25 years
110:13
and how and how much are they paying in
110:16
rent
110:18
currently they have not been paying rent
110:21
which in and i discovered as we were
110:23
doing our review
110:27
so they got no lease and they haven't
110:28
been paying rent
110:30
precisely
110:34
how do you get great money then we're
110:36
all working on making sure that
110:38
everything gets fixed as soon as
110:41
possible
110:42
yes and and to your your point
110:45
councilman delorey
110:47
you do need to have a current lease in
110:49
order to continue to receive your grant
110:51
funding
110:51
so this is something that is a priority
110:55
and should be a priority uh for them as
110:57
well because
110:59
they you know it's a nasa county
111:01
requirement i know
111:03
over the years things have changed
111:04
obviously things develop but
111:06
currently that is one of the
111:08
requirements
111:09
for their grant funding contract
111:13
at least that's what the county has has
111:15
advised us
111:16
um this this is a this is
111:20
this is uh you know an across-the-board
111:22
process as simone has explained
111:25
donna and simone and the the entire
111:27
staff have found
111:28
you know in terms of procedures and
111:30
policies that that the city is not
111:32
following
111:34
and and we have and this administration
111:36
is cleaning them up
111:37
so there are going to be issues like
111:39
this mike where
111:40
yeah there's inconsistencies between the
111:42
policies and the applications
111:44
that are going on right now and we're
111:46
fixing them all this
111:48
this is what this is what the staff is
111:49
working on fixing a lot of things
111:52
and this is one yes simone do you happen
111:54
to know
111:56
when the last time they did pay rent was
111:59
i don't um i don't recall whether an
112:04
ad looked into it or not i think
112:07
i mean ian might be able to answer i
112:08
don't believe they paid rent for
112:10
a significant amount of time it's it has
112:12
to be at least 10 years i am not sure if
112:14
our
112:14
athena was able to do an accounting
112:16
specifically it just it hasn't been any
112:18
time recently
112:20
but i guess we could say that so you
112:22
were saying that
112:24
to get their grant money and such they
112:26
have to
112:27
submit financial information to the i
112:30
guess the state you would said
112:32
i'm assuming they would have to
112:36
file similar information with the
112:39
city since they're a tenant in our
112:42
building running programs uh do they
112:45
submit financial information to the city
112:48
yes you are correct they under the old
112:51
lease
112:52
and then anything going forward they are
112:55
required to
112:56
file their um annual returns
113:00
which is 9.90 because they are not for
113:02
profit and
113:03
also um their char 500s which their
113:07
charge their annual filing with new york
113:09
state
113:10
um charities division i believe it is
113:14
uh so yes and no we have not you know
113:18
i'm not sure whether or not they have
113:20
gotten an extension
113:21
for this year the most recent that we do
113:25
or at least we were able to obtain
113:27
through you know the state websites
113:28
because they do have them available we
113:30
weren't provided
113:31
with them from the not-for-profit so
113:32
that's the start we were able to
113:35
you know pull them from their published
113:37
on state websites
113:38
after a certain period of time so we
113:41
were able to pull the 2018.
113:43
um i know that that ina has some
113:45
questions about it and we also had asked
113:47
that their treasurer
113:49
you know please reach out to ina um and
113:51
so that ina could
113:53
talk about some of the questions and
113:55
comments and concerns that she has
113:57
so and and we're awaiting them we're
113:59
waiting that basically their treasurer
114:01
to respond
114:03
so that's pretty much the status right
114:05
now we're waiting to hear back right
114:07
yes yeah and i think i think i cut eno
114:10
off she was gonna say something
114:13
you didn't cut me off no i just wanted
114:16
to
114:17
uh say that um simone is absolutely
114:20
right um
114:22
i don't think that there has been any
114:25
collections on the brand
114:27
in the last 10 years
114:34
okay
114:38
yes i mean we have an obligation just as
114:40
the city
114:41
you know to be good stewards as i said
114:43
and to make sure
114:45
a couple of things you know that they're
114:46
they're properly funded to be in our
114:48
building
114:49
for purpose and for services uh
114:52
as i said too i mean we have to make
114:53
sure that they're they're they're
114:55
abiding by all of the guidelines and
114:58
restrictions for reopening
115:00
um you know and further discussions are
115:02
definitely required for
115:04
that and we're awaiting a lot of
115:05
information
115:08
okay well it sounds like now you're
115:10
you're having dialogues with their board
115:12
so
115:13
um i guess we got to get this
115:16
straightened out
115:17
mike just a general question simone if
115:20
you know this
115:21
if not the utilities that are like water
115:24
um electric lighting um
115:28
would they be in the city's name because
115:30
we own the building
115:33
i believe they are ena might know better
115:36
i think they are in our name um because
115:39
i don't believe there's separate meters
115:41
in the building
115:43
um yeah i don't know if you know the
115:46
actual answer
115:46
i was going to say enos should know that
115:48
answer and i believe they are
115:50
in this name okay and any type of usual
115:54
uh
115:54
improvements uh to building whether it's
115:58
uh
115:58
you know a roof for whatever type of
116:01
structural improvements or knocking down
116:03
a wall
116:05
or improving the fire alarm system or
116:07
anything like that
116:09
that would usually need us as the owner
116:12
to do
116:13
and if we have to expend money can we
116:16
build the tenant
116:18
under the provision under the old lease
116:21
yes
116:22
we do have the right to do that uh for
116:24
starters they're supposed to if it's a
116:26
non-structural
116:27
issue they are actually supposed to do
116:30
all the repairs themselves and the
116:32
obligation is on them
116:33
if it's a structural repair then it
116:36
would be
116:36
our cost so for example i believe tommy
116:40
at one point we we looked at the
116:42
facility to
116:43
just figure out what was there because i
116:44
guess there's been some work that's been
116:46
done that we didn't necessarily do over
116:47
the years so
116:49
i know tommy had talked about some work
116:51
that was done by us
116:52
under fema after sandy but that was to
116:54
the roof it was structural so
116:56
we were on the hook for that but it's my
116:58
understanding that we're still paying
116:59
for most
117:00
everything in the building even though
117:02
it technically is their responsibility
117:05
okay thank you i just want to bring up
117:08
that
117:09
even though i'm a paper pusher this is
117:11
giving me a headache
117:12
um liz um
117:16
uh you know the bigger issue here is
117:17
that we have we have
117:19
uh services that may that used to be
117:21
provided but that are not
117:23
necessarily being provided right now and
117:25
i'm really concerned about that
117:26
have you been talking with your fellow
117:29
non-profit
117:30
um friends in the community to see how
117:33
we can serve
117:35
or help with services well um
117:38
we're yes but um
117:43
we're i am optimistic that
117:47
things will be moving forward and
117:49
getting back to normal
117:52
and donna you've been touched with the
117:53
members of the community right
117:56
yes actually what we're doing is we're
117:57
looking at all of the buildings that the
117:59
city owns
118:00
that can be printed out or services can
118:03
be provided
118:04
we're going to come up with an
118:05
application and so
118:08
if you and simone can explain this too
118:10
so if you want to use
118:12
the mlk center for holding
118:15
a class a steam program you can come to
118:18
the city and say
118:20
i want to hold steam program at mlk
118:23
but if you want to hold the same program
118:26
on a different date
118:27
somewhere else in one of the other city
118:29
buildings you will have that right
118:31
and so we're trying to make sure that
118:33
the services
118:34
that are provided are provided for long
118:37
beach
118:38
as a whole and so because it is a city
118:41
building
118:42
and we're trying to keep our own city
118:45
out of hot
118:46
water of saying that this building is
118:49
only
118:50
allocated for this and nothing else can
118:53
be in that
118:54
um because it's all taxpayers that pay
118:57
for that building
118:59
um and we're trying to do everything
119:00
across the board
119:02
and there have been and mcnally can
119:04
speak about it they had a meeting
119:06
yesterday to talk about how to
119:10
um do how to do the services across the
119:13
board
119:14
in all the buildings that we have and i
119:16
know that that's something that
119:18
everybody's been trying to work on that
119:20
you want to touch base about your
119:21
meeting yesterday mr mcnally
119:24
sure i mean it's we we brought together
119:27
and we're looking to continue to expand
119:29
a number of our faith-based and
119:32
community
119:32
civic leaders to to really begin a
119:35
discussion about
119:36
um how do we begin to assess the needs
119:40
of the individual communities in the
119:41
community
119:41
at large across long beach and then from
119:44
there
119:46
um you know how do we how do we speak
119:48
with the community and engage the
119:49
community on what are
119:51
the the resources and the programs that
119:54
um
119:55
and part of the discussion was
119:58
not so much what they want but what our
120:00
community really needs
120:02
um to make sure that our youth
120:06
are having enrichment life building
120:08
skills burning skills building
120:10
experiences that are
120:12
that our seniors um you know are getting
120:15
the kind of
120:15
the engagement and mobility and and um
120:20
you know the brain exercise for for lack
120:23
of better terms work
120:24
um and that these these programs are
120:27
um meeting the needs of yes to specific
120:30
communities because there is no denying
120:32
that
120:33
the west end is most likely to be
120:35
utilized mostly by west enders
120:37
and north park is most likely to be the
120:40
community that utilizes mlk but
120:42
also with a recognition that these are
120:45
city-wide facilities and so that we also
120:48
diversify some of the opportunities that
120:49
take place in each of the communities so
120:51
that we are bringing
120:53
you know the the very diverse nature of
120:56
our city together
120:58
um to be sharing use of some of these
120:59
spaces in whatever ways that we can and
121:01
the opportunities that we can create
121:02
there so
121:03
that was the beginning of an opportunity
121:05
we'll be having you know a follow-up
121:07
discussion
121:08
about how we conduct needs assessments
121:10
we're going to be working on
121:11
you know what surveys might look like uh
121:14
for the communities
121:15
um and you know the different ways that
121:17
it can be dispersed because obviously
121:19
just
121:20
putting up a poll on the city's website
121:22
um
121:23
is not doing a whole lot to bridge any
121:25
sort of digital divide and you're not
121:26
going to get
121:27
you know from um as much input from low
121:30
mod communities or from an elderly
121:32
population and these are communities
121:33
that we really
121:34
you know want to be gaining their input
121:36
on so um
121:38
you know there's going to be some boots
121:39
on the ground door knocking
121:41
at each of these centers there might
121:43
they might become polling stations where
121:44
drop a survey off here
121:46
um so you know i think we came up with
121:48
some pretty
121:49
good you know in intuitive or um
121:53
you know interesting ideas of how to
121:54
move this stuff forward and how to try
121:56
and get public input in ways that we
121:58
haven't
121:58
city hasn't historically done that um
122:01
and we'll keep moving forward until you
122:03
know we're able to do so
122:05
so i'm here i'm sorry karen i just
122:08
wanted to say what's important for
122:09
everybody to know
122:10
to know is that we're not talking about
122:14
um removing the current tenant from the
122:17
building that's why
122:18
we're talking to the board we're trying
122:20
to get the lease
122:22
so i don't want anyone to think that as
122:25
we move
122:25
forward we're saying we're kicking the
122:27
current tenant out that is not
122:30
that is not what we're doing at all
122:31
we're trying to be a partnership
122:34
and see what else we can do in that
122:36
particular building and have the tenant
122:38
there
122:38
and that's why we're trying to work
122:40
through the lease
122:42
and that was very much part of the
122:43
conversation of the meeting last night
122:44
too so thanks for bringing
122:46
that up don it was you know there are
122:48
the the three separate community centers
122:51
that we have and it's west end it's
122:52
magnolia and it's martin luther king
122:54
center
122:55
um it's they are utilized to varying
122:58
degrees you know the west end community
123:00
center is basically for
123:02
some civic meetings um our sandbox
123:05
program
123:06
and that's essentially it the senior
123:07
center has been used almost exclusively
123:09
for senior plus
123:11
our historical daycare program uh
123:14
the martin luther king center is one of
123:16
the junior king center
123:18
um it is more robustly utilized by the
123:21
non-profit there so would be looking to
123:23
supplement the work that they're doing
123:25
insofar as
123:27
you know what they're doing and making
123:28
sure that it's complementary and not
123:30
duplicative as well
123:35
you know i've been to a lot of city
123:36
council meetings and it this is a
123:39
and the most that i've heard about
123:41
talking about actually
123:43
working utilizing all of our resources
123:45
and then mapping them to the needs of
123:47
the various sectors of the community
123:49
so this is a you know a great approach
123:51
and a lot of work but um
123:53
i think we're going to get a lot of
123:54
results from it so thank you
124:01
thank you have any other questions or
124:06
want us to look into anything else well
124:09
it sounds like things are
124:11
moving in the right direction so
124:14
there's uh it sounds like there's a
124:17
needs assessment going on which is a
124:19
good thing
124:20
i guess we're we're fixing
124:24
past faux pas on the
124:27
the tenant issue um
124:31
and then uh hopefully bringing the
124:34
services the community needs to the
124:36
various
124:36
uh buildings so
124:39
uh yeah i just uh we'll have to be kept
124:43
abreast of what's going on and uh
124:46
but it's a good job all around you know
124:48
this is how this is how the departments
124:50
work together
124:54
all right uh we're
124:57
running late here but uh we've
125:00
had uh the chief and uh mr brand they're
125:05
uh sitting there patiently so why don't
125:07
we uh hear about
125:08
uh we'll get the uh the post-op
125:12
i guess on the the beach the boardwalk
125:15
uh the beach park and uh what we're
125:18
doing for this month too
125:20
since it's uh not going to be as uh
125:22
traditional september
125:25
i think we lost mr brand he's asleep
125:28
uh either that or he tried to unmute and
125:32
disconnected himself john have we looked
125:35
in uh
125:36
do you know if we've looked we reviewed
125:39
leases buildings operations
125:44
oh i'll let pogo okay so and i will just
125:47
say i'm sorry
125:48
chief before you you jump in here um i
125:50
just
125:51
we'd assume that the conversation that
125:53
had taken place around the board walking
125:55
the beach
125:55
um had taken place so i let those
125:58
gentlemen know that they could get back
125:59
to their family
126:01
um so you know some of them chose to
126:04
stick around
126:05
kudos to them but way above and beyond
126:08
the long two hours waiting here you go
126:11
chief you earned it
126:14
uh what would you like to know about the
126:16
new headquarters
126:17
uh i'm psyched uh to get it you know
126:19
it's been uh
126:20
coming for a little coming from the last
126:24
four years
126:25
that would be nice what's what's going
126:27
on with the new headquarters
126:30
uh i don't know other than uh they're
126:32
supposed to bring it in i guess in the
126:34
middle of october
126:36
uh you know that point i guess we need
126:39
the cameras and the lights and the
126:41
action there because we want to make
126:43
sure nothing happens to it
126:45
uh we're going to need a new radio
126:47
system
126:48
but uh we don't want to go in there with
126:50
the one we have now because it's shot
126:51
it's been around since
126:52
uh sandy you know which is a while uh
126:58
let me see what else you guys what else
127:00
would you know we were asking about
127:02
equipment here
127:04
and uh we do need
127:07
uh a few things not too bad the trucks
127:09
are in good shape and
127:11
uh because we take care of them uh
127:14
the jet we need a jet ski and we need
127:16
what they call uh
127:18
mohandro which we have two of them on
127:20
the beach that now we had to give them
127:22
out to
127:23
the officers on the beach because they
127:24
deliver equipment in the morning
127:27
and the trailers are shot that we have
127:30
uh quads are in good shape we just have
127:33
uh just received two new ones
127:35
uh thanks to the city totally appreciate
127:38
it
127:39
uh let me see what else you would uh
127:43
uh yes you know what the big thing is
127:46
it's the uh
127:49
for years we've had these same chairs we
127:51
had two uh
127:52
two chairs built by uh the garage a
127:55
while back
127:57
but the uh we're we're probably gonna
127:59
have to replace ten chairs uh where i
128:01
will show them to uh
128:03
the people when i take them out and put
128:05
them uh in storage
128:07
uh uh we tried cutting them in half
128:10
which i think works uh
128:14
but we'll have to see and uh we'll have
128:16
to get with some people with that are
128:18
good welders we do have a
128:19
a young man that was a lifeguard that uh
128:22
it now works for the city that did all
128:24
the welding for us uh
128:25
this previous uh spring uh
128:29
so we could use him if we want to save a
128:31
little money and cut the chairs down in
128:33
half and try to uh
128:35
make work for another year but uh we're
128:38
definitely in the
128:39
uh we need the chance
128:43
we need the uh i'd say we need
128:46
approximately about six of them
128:48
right now at this point uh
128:51
uh anything else you would like to know
128:54
about the uh
128:55
the beach or the uh uh what we're doing
128:59
uh staying open
129:02
well i guess just for i assume most
129:04
people know but just for those that
129:06
maybe
129:07
don't that the life the current plan is
129:09
to have the lifeguards man the beaches
129:12
uh at least the next couple of weekends
129:14
weather permitting right
129:17
we're gonna do it till the 27th
129:19
supposedly but we have to see how the
129:21
weather is too
129:22
right uh so we're gonna go the uh 11th
129:25
and 12th
129:26
18th to 19th excuse me 19th and uh
129:29
20th and 26th and 27th
129:32
will be uh be our last day on the beach
129:35
there young kippur
129:37
so
129:41
we will continue to be there and do the
129:43
best we can
129:45
do we know i am asking you guys a
129:48
question do we know about
129:50
the governor's rule now about uh what
129:53
we're gonna do like with volleyball and
129:55
everything does he want the same uh
129:57
standard helm
130:00
i'm going to say that's a mr mcnally
130:02
question yeah it's the same
130:04
whether the beach is open or closed the
130:06
same rules apply
130:08
the same rules apply okay uh i would put
130:11
out there uh if we could get it on on
130:14
social media about uh
130:16
uh you know that everybody has to go by
130:19
the state law
130:20
the state rules that the governor has
130:21
put out and by the nassau county uh
130:24
beach rules because we'll have some
130:25
people there thinking there's because
130:28
uh yeah you know the beach is closed uh
130:30
now we have lifeguards understand that
130:32
they could do what they want so i think
130:34
on social media that would help us a
130:35
little bit
130:38
if you could put some kind of lingo up
130:40
there to uh tell the people that
130:42
we still have rules on the beach even
130:44
over here after the uh
130:46
the season so to speak uh we will we'll
130:50
reinforce that that was
130:51
that was part of the messaging that um
130:55
went out when we first communicated that
130:56
we were going to continue to have
130:58
lifeguards
130:58
on duty but um you know reinforcing
131:02
messaging is is definitely always a
131:04
thing so appreciate that
131:06
okay uh yeah anything else uh you would
131:10
like to know about the beach
131:14
mike okay um yeah paul sorry to keep you
131:18
up past
131:18
you know this late uh evening
131:22
okay uh the communication system you
131:25
answered
131:26
now the communication system in the
131:28
future that you're talking about
131:30
is that currently tied into uh
131:33
fire department ems uh police you're all
131:36
on one
131:37
comment yeah yeah we have a system now
131:41
that is tied into all the
131:42
all the uh you know you got the police
131:44
department the fire department and i
131:46
said uh we're all together that's how
131:48
come uh
131:49
it's more like a team you know so we
131:51
have to get a whole new system the
131:53
radios are dying on us
131:54
so we have to get what's called the
131:56
repeater too so we can
131:58
bag me it works a lot better going back
132:00
and forth to east and west so we cover
132:02
everybody uh and uh you know we'll see
132:06
how it goes from there
132:08
so are you are you individual units old
132:12
yeah they're very old yeah they all need
132:14
to be replaced okay
132:17
okay now uh i was gonna ask
132:20
donna but i'll answer another time about
132:22
the uh
132:23
the money we could be getting because
132:25
she
132:26
will be in charge of that and uh i will
132:28
get another date with her when i speak
132:30
to her
132:31
right yeah you answered all the
132:32
questions i had in advance about
132:34
equipment
132:35
was it and then the weekends i know
132:37
people had asked one question i don't
132:38
know if this is for you or donna or joe
132:40
brandt about
132:42
the beach passes so when people come
132:43
down on weekends
132:45
there are no ticket takers it's just uh
132:48
and do you have enough staffing for
132:49
lifeguards to cover beaches
132:51
we have uh as i was telling donna we had
132:54
about
132:54
we have about 63 that are back uh
132:57
so we should be all right you need about
132:59
48 we pulled one chair out down in
133:02
azores
133:03
to compact it a little bit that'll be a
133:05
surfing beach then down there
133:06
so there's only one chair on that beach
133:08
and the next one will be a pacific and
133:11
going west all those chairs will be up
133:13
so we'll have a full staff on for the
133:15
people
133:16
that come down okay
133:20
thank you chief that's all my question
133:23
okay
133:24
thank you all right uh
133:28
anything else anyone else for the chief
133:32
no have a good evening thank you have a
133:35
great evening
133:36
thank you thanks thank you thanks
133:39
uh joe you got any uh words of wisdom
133:43
about the beach park and the boardwalk
133:49
joe's muted yeah you gotta
133:53
do it here hey guys how are you
133:58
i'm sorry were you talking to me no no
134:00
no joe brand wrong joe
134:03
how am i doing now there you go i'm here
134:07
uh i didn't have i didn't have as much
134:10
luck as far as employees to staff
134:13
any of the beach entrances um for the
134:16
for the postseason here
134:18
i'm not necessarily sure that it's
134:20
something that we need to do
134:22
most of the decisions we made with
134:24
regard to extending
134:26
the season were in the realm of public
134:28
safety
134:30
chief gillespie told you what his
134:32
numbers looked like and
134:34
and the fact that he was able to uh to
134:36
stamp all the beaches so
134:39
i think it's a tremendous tremendous uh
134:42
boom for the city that we can offer this
134:46
i give credit to the people that made
134:48
the decision to look into it it's never
134:49
been done before so
134:51
anything we can do to ensure people
134:54
leaving the beach that enter the beach
134:56
is is always good
134:57
in our best interest
135:02
i think there were some questions
135:04
earlier with regard to recreation
135:07
i mean real briefly i think most of you
135:09
know the wreck
135:10
weight room and the municipal pool uh
135:13
are both open and have been operating
135:14
very smoothly for the past few weeks
135:17
uh they they continue to be open uh to
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only members and
135:21
for scheduled appointments we plan to
135:23
liken the day
135:25
for both amenities beginning uh monday
135:27
the 28th
135:28
of september in terms of programming
135:32
we pulled off a baseball program this
135:34
summer men's softball is still going on
135:37
and the sports and programs that we plan
135:40
to offer for the fall
135:42
do not involve any sports that fall into
135:45
the high risk category
135:46
the only one that does that we offer is
135:50
ice hockey
135:51
uh but the protocols for play in in our
135:54
building will be strictly adhered to
135:56
uh once we get the building open in
135:58
terms of that the ice is down and just
136:00
about ready
136:01
we have uh one last building inspection
136:03
scheduled for tuesday morning
136:05
and hopefully hockey will begin shortly
136:08
thereafter
136:11
back to school programs begin monday
136:13
before and after care
136:15
at both leader and west schools will
136:17
begin monday
136:19
as well as our sandbox and pre-k
136:20
programs
136:22
and we're knocking on the door
136:25
uh with announcements for a partnership
136:29
for new competitive swimming programs
136:31
and for new swim lesson programs
136:34
so that's that's recreation in a
136:36
nutshell i tried to keep it as brief as
136:39
i could given the hour
136:41
and uh any questions fire away
136:48
my question this is liz are you taking
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new membership yes
136:54
yes we are anybody that wants to join
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can join
136:59
we're doing a host of different types of
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memberships for people to get in uh in
137:03
the pool or the weight room
137:05
and uh like i said you know
137:08
like everything else um there's new or
137:11
many many restrictions and guidelines
137:13
but
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we're pretty much fully operational
137:18
staff is coming back slowly but surely
137:21
we will be fully operational
137:24
and and essentially have everything
137:26
offered that we've
137:27
had offered uh before coping
137:32
yeah joe thank you i think your biggest
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challenge upcoming is going to be the
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ice arena
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yeah it will be but you know what uh
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there's a guy that works for
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uh the recreation department that knows
137:43
a thing or two about the ice hockey
137:45
industry and uh
137:47
he's pretty well in tune with uh the
137:49
return to the ranks that usa hockey has
137:51
instituted
137:52
um the the groups that that
137:56
are playing out of there uh are well
137:58
informed and know
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uh what the protocols are gonna be uh
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i think we're gonna be fine we're just
138:05
gonna go slow like everything else
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open up slowly just as we done with the
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pool what we've done with the with the
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weight room
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and with with programs everything has
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been kind of at a not at the sales pace
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but
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you know the the frequent term is a
138:20
bubble like it you know expand the
138:21
bubble little by little
138:23
and make sure everything's done properly
138:25
according to guidelines and safely
138:29
thank you joe you're welcome
138:33
any other questions for joe
138:38
all right thanks thanks for sticking
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around joe sorry we uh kept you for this
138:42
long
138:42
no i'm watching the hockey game while
138:44
you were talking it's no big deal
138:46
how are we doing zero zero vegas and
138:48
dallas halfway through if anyone's
138:50
interested
138:51
okay stop the islanders next time
138:54
tomorrow yeah
138:58
they better do better than they've been
138:59
doing that's for sure
139:01
hey john yes
139:07
welfare i wanted to ask since i see
139:11
ina is still on and we were talking
139:14
about
139:14
um leases and things like that
139:18
are are all of our vendors
139:22
current on their their lease payments
139:26
that we know of such as i don't know
139:29
we had a there's food trucks in the in
139:32
may
139:33
the concessionaires on the boardwalk uh
139:36
and any other because i don't
139:37
i don't plan to know all of them but
139:40
does anybody know
139:43
so uh actually that's a very good
139:46
question
139:46
um i'm not sure that many people are
139:49
aware
139:50
but those that are dealing with
139:53
governmental accounting so you probably
139:55
know mike
139:56
about gas b87 so
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it's a new governmental accounting
140:02
standards sport pronouncement that
140:04
actually deals with leases
140:06
was supposed to be implemented for this
140:09
fiscal year 21 but because of
140:12
coven implementation has been postponed
140:15
until
140:16
next fiscal year um
140:19
so basically in order to be in
140:22
compliance
140:23
with this gatsby of what my office is
140:27
doing
140:27
is assessing the whole universe of all
140:30
the leases
140:32
in order to make sure that
140:36
we are properly
140:39
recording everything in
140:43
our financial statements and uh there
140:46
could be
140:47
um instances where we're collecting
140:50
payments or making payments
140:52
uh without having proper contractual
140:55
agreements so
140:56
that's something that we have now it's a
140:58
systemic process
141:00
that first we gonna go through all the
141:03
payments
141:04
and all the receipts
141:07
and identify those that could be related
141:10
to the leases
141:11
review the agreements actually review
141:14
the relationships make sure that we
141:17
either have existing
141:19
agreements or uh make sure that we
141:21
establish
141:22
uh contracts and evaluate them
141:26
obviously the the rest is a boring stuff
141:28
for the accounting purposes
141:30
but uh um we as far as i know
141:34
uh we really don't have any
141:37
um other issues that are
141:41
um of this magnitude um
141:44
as we discussed before but again um
141:47
having this
141:48
very comprehensive uh review will allow
141:52
us to make sure that that
141:54
we address population of both
141:58
of leases where we're both fleecy and
142:00
less sore and make sure
142:02
that everything is documented yeah i'm
142:05
just going to
142:05
ask that everything's documented and
142:08
have before we close out
142:09
are all of uh payments and lease
142:12
payments up to date
142:13
as far as you know yes
142:16
mike to your uh to your question mike i
142:19
think you did you ask about
142:20
you asked about uh food trucks and and
142:23
the like
142:23
yeah the beach season is is almost end
142:26
well i hate to sit
142:28
as we move to the different season
142:31
are all of the payments up to date as
142:33
far as
142:34
uh you know okay repairs
142:37
and rental trucks and as far as
142:41
the information i have as of today the
142:43
food trucks that are operating
142:45
um at the shores board are current and
142:47
up to date however
142:48
our our boardwalk kiosks i think we only
142:52
have
142:52
two um two kiosk operators who are
142:56
current and the rest are either in
142:57
arrears or outstanding
143:00
um that's certainly probably two out of
143:02
um how many of uh
143:03
five i'm trying to think one two three
143:05
there's about five
143:07
uh grand uh national
143:10
and mid pacific that'd be five maybe
143:14
i'm maybe i'm missing one specifically
143:18
riverside is that beyond 6 30 60 or 90
143:21
days
143:23
uh i believe one of the it was uh
143:25
there's two payments or two installments
143:27
it depends on the lease but some were
143:28
due
143:28
in june of this year in the middle of
143:31
the pandemic others are due
143:33
in august which would be last month
143:35
depends on the lease but some
143:37
basically in arrears for to answer your
143:39
question karen
143:40
some are more than 30 days
143:43
so they have multi-year agreements so we
143:45
could cancel we could cancel their
143:47
agreement right
143:48
uh most of the agreements have similar
143:50
provisions so there are
143:52
there are cancellation provisions and
143:53
notice provisions under which we can
143:56
kind of you know flex that muscle if we
143:58
wanted to i guess or try
144:00
um but also keep in mind as well that
144:03
the governor kind of has that moratorium
144:05
on evictions and the likes so
144:10
there are there are definitely
144:12
moratoriums on rent
144:14
and eviction and
144:17
so yeah i would be curious to know the
144:19
dollar amount and i know you don't know
144:21
the answer to this rich but i would be
144:22
curious to know before we get into
144:24
december
144:25
um like who owes how much what's the
144:28
stat
144:28
if we could and i know you're on the
144:30
legal side this is more i guess
144:33
on the controller and corporate side you
144:35
know the
144:36
collections i guess right no i think we
144:38
could get you at the
144:39
overview of it i mean you never know
144:41
maybe people will be paying at some
144:43
point soon so
144:44
well yeah we can get you we can get you
144:46
the information because i believe in
144:48
simone correct me if i'm wrong
144:50
we gave a discount on the rent um
144:53
because of covet
144:54
yes we have given a discount and if we
144:59
still have not collected the money
145:01
we will come back and say do we need to
145:03
have that discount removed
145:05
um because we weren't paid timely um
145:10
have something that we the staff will
145:12
have to discuss and come back with the
145:13
recommendation
145:15
have the vendors been that haven't paid
145:17
been contacted
145:19
and re reminded do they received
145:23
room we'll have to check
145:26
okay because obviously that's a that's
145:29
an obvious step
145:33
yeah yes yes um so so we have
145:38
um certain vendors uh that
145:42
have uh that are questioning
145:45
uh some of the charges due to covet and
145:48
we're working uh with them on
145:54
we're reviewing that and uh i i work
145:57
with donna closely
145:59
when we have questions of that nature
146:03
coming up um there is one vendor
146:07
where i i can think of where material
146:11
um receivables exist it's for the tennis
146:15
court
146:17
um i know that uh
146:20
amount amounts outstanding where um
146:24
pretty substantial um
146:28
i don't have the receivables report in
146:30
front of me but
146:31
uh i'm not aware of any collections on
146:34
that
146:35
in in the past
146:38
um in the past couple of weeks
146:42
yeah i think we've met with the tennis
146:44
court
146:45
um and talked about their payments so we
146:48
just have to follow up on the meetings
146:50
so what we'll do is anybody that is
146:52
outstanding
146:53
we will get in contact with them and ask
146:55
them when do they anticipate
146:57
sending the city their money especially
146:59
since we're at the end of the season
147:01
great mike to your question i believe
147:05
it's
147:05
uh six total as far as uh
147:08
kiosks yep six total thank you miss you
147:11
made two paid i think you said
147:12
two or current yeah right correct
147:16
all right yeah we're looking for all the
147:18
money we can and
147:19
yes so we'll get that information back
147:21
to you all
147:24
right thank you all right thanks uh
147:27
all right look it's it's 9 30 it's past
147:30
rich's bedtime
147:32
so uh this is uh
147:35
this has gone on for uh two and a half
147:37
hours so this is probably a good
147:39
stopping point
147:42
sure are is step
147:45
getting any information from uh people
147:48
that want to be up
147:49
on the boards on the commissions and
147:52
boards are those
147:53
are they coming in at a steady rate um
147:56
they have been coming in we got
147:58
a a stack in just a few days ago i've
148:00
been interviewing
148:02
last week this week and next week um i'm
148:05
starting to put them together so we can
148:07
discuss them
148:09
okay mr mcnally can we ask um
148:13
that another social media post be put up
148:16
sometime next week
148:17
if we can do that sure i will i will
148:21
give him
148:21
counsel too i will give him what boards
148:24
and commissions we need
148:26
additional people on first i have to get
148:28
through the interview
148:29
some people ask to be on two commissions
148:32
which we're saying please pick one and
148:35
my agreement was that after i knew how
148:38
many
148:39
which boards and commissions still
148:40
needed people that's what we will put
148:43
out on social media
148:44
asking for those only particular boards
148:47
because
148:48
now we'll get boards that that could
148:51
potentially be full right yeah
148:55
okay thank you very much and if i could
148:57
just
148:58
if there's better candidates or
149:00
different candidates then everybody
149:01
should be
149:02
kind of shocked
149:06
i've had some pretty good candidates
149:08
come in because one
149:10
thing the one main question i ask is
149:12
what can you
149:13
bring to the commissions and then i ask
149:16
questions if you are asked to do
149:18
something
149:19
um to go along however ethically you
149:23
think it is not correct how would you
149:24
respond
149:25
and people's body language really tells
149:28
you how
149:30
it is
149:34
so so i would just if we're if we're
149:36
closing up um
149:37
not that anyone needs reminding but
149:39
tomorrow is obviously 9 11.
149:42
um the city and
149:45
various factions of are going to be
149:48
having our
149:49
remembrance ceremonies um but they are
149:53
uh largely private's not the right word
149:56
we're broadcasting them on facebook live
149:58
for
149:59
both the one that traditionally happens
150:02
at the recreation center at 8am
150:04
um and then the firefighters are
150:07
facebooking live
150:08
there is for the one at 7 30 p.m so
150:11
um you know gatherings need to stay
150:13
within
150:14
the 50-person threshold regardless of
150:17
what we are gathering
150:18
for so these are not necessarily
150:20
considered public events because
150:22
uh we can't dictate what 50 people are
150:25
allowed to use so
150:26
we're they're private for lack of better
150:29
terms
150:30
um but you know we hope folks do
150:33
uh tune in or remember in their own
150:36
respective ways um what is obviously a
150:39
pretty
150:39
heavy day around here especially but for
150:42
our country as a whole
150:45
okay thank you for that yeah thank you
150:49
and uh before we go liz do you want to
150:52
mention the census
150:53
no it's not a city council me i think
150:57
mr mcnally left us on a good note okay
151:00
um all right so with that uh thanks
151:03
folks for joining
151:05
and uh there'll be a city council
151:08
meeting tuesday
151:09
so uh we'll see you in a few days
151:13
have a good night welcome back
151:16
thank you very much
151:19
good night