all right good evening everyone welcome
to a special meeting
of the city council uh the purpose of
tonight's meeting
is to get uh public input on the capital
budget
uh for 2021 2022 fiscal year and the
capital improvement la
plan for the 2021-22
fiscal year through to 20 25 26 fiscal
year
so uh let's get the show on the road
okay good evening and welcome to a
special meeting of the council of the
city of long beach held thursday may 6
2021
at 7 pm we'll have a roll call
council member delorey that's it
councilmember mandel
president councilmember treston
president
vice president mcginnis president
president pando
present let the record indicate the
presence of city manager donna gayden
and assistant corporation council joe
lupo will now salute to the flag
all right mike you got the big flag fl
uh behind you tonight why don't you uh
lead us in the pledge
okay
hand over heart i pledge allegiance to
the flag of the united states of america
and to the republic for which it stands
one nation
under god indivisible with liberty
and justice for all
okay our only item this evening is a
public hearing for the purpose of giving
citizens an adequate opportunity to
publicly present their views
on the general summary of the capital
improvement program for the five year
period from july first twenty twenty one
to june thirtieth twenty twenty six
okay uh so let's open the hearing
and uh i guess before we go to the
public i'll just ask quickly if anybody
on the council has any questions
okay seeing none uh who do we have from
the public dave
well i i believe we have uh mr fabrizio
has his
uh oh i'm sorry i'm sorry sorry sorry
that's right
i'm jumping ahead trying to get the
meeting over that much quicker
are we done okay sorry joe i was
stealing your thunder
all right i assume you're going to give
us a presentation yeah
dave can you put it up on the screen
please
oh great thank you everybody um yes i
hope so everybody got a chance to go
outside today it was an absolutely
beautiful day um my name is joe fabrizio
i'm the commissioner of public works
i'm here tonight to present the
2021-2022 capital budget
and 2021 22 2025 26 capital improvement
plan
for the city of long beach um before i
get started i just wanted to thank all
the department heads and the
commissioners who
helped me with this specifically um the
controller uh you knew resnick she was
really uh just really really helpful and
i really appreciated it
and as well uh the city manager donna
gayden you know they really uh
really their expertise and professionals
are really really helping me here
um thank you so we can go to the next
slide thank you
dave
okay the 2021 2022 capital budget and
five-year capital improvement plan
advances projects that improve the
health
safety and quality of life for city
residents the projects address
issues in a priority order making
government more efficient and responsive
projects this year include a continued
commitment to roads and drainage
shoreline transportation improvements to
police and fire assets
buildings uh grounds which includes
trees and dune plant things parks
technology uh sewer which is the
wastewater treatment plant and the
rehabilitation of the sanitary sewer
system um water
replacing our ag infrastructure and
improvements to our water treatment
plant
and other things such as economic
development
next please
um as i mentioned you know this was my
for i've been working here for
30 years and i've assisted four
commissioners on capital budgets but
this is the first one that i've
done solely on my own so i just thought
i wanted to take
i took a couple slides to really just
walk through the process because you
know
it was really an educational process and
i don't know if people really realize
how much work actually goes into it
so i just wanted to go through real
quick um in january we basically
uh send a request to all department
heads and commissioners to fill out
capital project summary forms in those
forms we ask for
the name of the department requesting
the project the project category
description of the project project
justification on estimated cost of
construction
in february all of those project summary
forms are due
in march the controller myself the city
manager we start conducting meetings
with all department heads and
commissioners
regarding their proposed projects next
please
in march you know during that same
period we also perform a comprehensive
review of all the existing
available funds from prior year capital
budgets that are available and have
not been utilized this was actually
probably one of the most
interesting exercises that i had going
through um
i looked through all every h line from
2015 to present and
it's probably a discussion for another
night but there was you know quite a bit
of money that was um
not spent that we're currently paying
interest on that was
you know quite enlightening um that i
brought to the city manager's attention
and um you know she was actually
you know brought aware of it and um
we've had a lot of meetings about it
since
um in april 2021 additional meetings are
conducted with commissioners and
departments prioritizing proposed
projects
in april as well the projects are
selected and incorporated in the capital
budget
and and the plan um by the end of the
month by the end of april that is the
proposed capital budget slash plan
is submitted to the city manager in the
council prior to the hearing
uh the capital budget improvement plan
is submitted to the city clerk and it's
made available for inspection prior to
hearing
on the document on may 6 which is
tonight we have the public hearing
so people can comment on it um after the
public hearing i will
make any changes based on the comments
that i receive
and on may 18th it's put before the
council for a vote
next please um this is a
breakdown of the capital plan um if
anybody listened to the budget
hearing on tuesday night um city control
that is
did a really really great job of
explaining the difference between the
general fund the sewer fund and the
water fund
uh but the general fund is basically
broken down and for the capital purposes
is broken down into the roads of
drainage
shoreline transportation public safety
grounds
parks and technology this refund is
essentially the collection system the
water pollution control plan and
equipment associated with it
and the waterfront is the distribution
system um
the water treatment plant and equipment
next please um highlights of our
proposed plan
who are asking for 5.2 million in the
general fund
600 000 in the sewer fund and 4.3
million in the water fund
grants where bonding is required is
approximately 38.2 million that number
is
basically the money most of the money
for the north shore critical
infrastructure project that has a 33
million
price tag with the fema projects you
basically have to fund the money and
then you get reimbursed
um the grants where no bonds required to
18.7 million
that's essentially the ghoster projects
the governor's office the storm recovery
projects with those projects it's a
little different
it's actually a great program we don't
have to front any money
the contractor basically submits his
claim voucher and invoices
we submit them to the governor's office
of storm recovery we get
reimbursed from the governor's office of
storm recovery and then we remit payment
within five days so it's actually one of
one of the best programs that i've ever
worked on
um and we have approximately 18 million
dollars
under that program um
next please i wanted to take you through
and it's a little lengthy but you know
we've done a lot of work and over the
last year
i thought it was important to highlight
that um so someone has successfully
completed projects
um one the first one on the list we're
actually just about finished with it's
going to be finished in june anybody
who's gone down edwards can see it
it's a reconstruction of edwards
boulevard between park and broadway
we've overlaid 15 streets wisconsin
park to ocean view state street monroe
neptune broadway monroe lincoln broadway
neptune to roosevelt
beach riverside to national harrison
lincoln to franklin pan long beach road
to franklin broadway long beach road to
monroe
beach uh long detroit's riverside so
we've really stepped up our overlay
program
um and we're going to continue to do
that box and recreation
um if anybody's gone over to veterans
memorial park we
removed the existing surface of the
hockey rink and put a
state-of-the-art concrete surface um
from what i understand i'm not a
skater but it's been well received and
it's really getting a lot of use
and we've installed a lot of water
fountains at the at the veterans
memorial park as well
uh buildings um right outside city hall
here
where we've designed and we're under
construction with the
rehabilitation of the parking garage
it's in progress things are going
fairly smoothly right now um we're also
we bid out and
we will be commencing work on facade
city hall probably in the next month or
so you'll see a resolution
to award that project that basically
involves repairs around the whole
perimeter
of city hall to the brick masonry facade
next please um
sewer projects most of the money that we
did in sewer was emergency replacement
of uh sanitary sewers one was the
intersection of walnut and lindell which
was
a big project that we undertook over the
winter was a collapse
of the existing sanitary so we were
about 12 feet down below grade
and right now actually today you know we
had a lot of problems on this job it was
um the north side of west park between
um what new york avenue and bramble a
lot
it started out as uh one location that
we thought was had to be replaced but
we've actually done three excavations in
the last two weeks
and i think today we finally
successfully completed that repair and
the sewage is flowing and it's in
everything's going well
as far as water projects we designed
well number 19 i'll get into that a
little later
in the presentation we demolished the 1
million gallon standpipe
uh which was a the existing standpipe
was over 100 years old
um and that had to be removed and we did
the design of what's called the
enclosure over the open air basins at
the work
for your water verification file next
please
now for this year the upcoming projects
we have a lot of work on our plate as
usual i'm not sure if anybody's driven
around you can see everywhere you go
just you know some work going on some
fashion
for roads and drainage we're gonna um
the next in-house design that we're
gonna undertake is the reconstruction of
doyle which means chester
pine we'll design that utilizing uh in
our in-house
forces and um there's money in the
capital budget to reconstruct that
that roadway um one of the biggest
projects that we're working on is the
drainage improvements project that
project has been awarded to j.r cruz
for the general construction and i think
electric for the electric
it's basically going to be uh involves
park avenue between new york to nevada
they're going to be putting in a new
stormwater pump station at tennessee
avenue
as well as uh putting a whole bunch of
subsurface drainage
on that thoroughfare to mitigate
flooding on national south of clock same
thing we're going to be putting in an
entire new subsurface training system
it's actually going to mirror
um exactly what edwards boulevard's out
the park is going to look like so both
by the end of the year or february 2022
both edwards and national which are the
main conduits from the railroad
are going to pretty much be identical
and completely repaved
so i mean it's actually a really
exciting project
and the intersection riverside pond
we're going to be increasing the
drainage by putting in new structures
another project we're going to be doing
is called park avenue resilient
connectivity
the department of economic development
retained a
2.5 million dollar grant to basically
um to do aesthetic rehabilitation of
park avenue
between long beach road and roughly
magnolia boulevard
um the intent is to overlay that entire
area which anybody who's driven it needs
it
knows it needs it we're going to be
replacing curbs
sidewalks overlay of the road new
lighting
um so that's a great project that's
included in this capital budget
now the shoreline yeah i've mentioned
this project numerous times
can't come soon enough it's called the
north shore critical infrastructure
protection project it's a 33 million
dollar project
that's 100 funded by under the fema 406
404 hazard mitigation program um we're
still working with the railroads to
revive
resolve some on some issues that's the
last hurdle
to moving forward we're hoping we could
saw the body into the year
next please um as far as buildings
again we're going to be rehabilitating
the city hall facade which i mentioned
earlier and it's going to start probably
in the next month or so
we have money to rehabilitate city
council chambers in 6th floor
to renovate the 6th floor bathroom to
complement our recently constructed oem
building
we have funding for to mitigate uh
the exterior of the ice arena as well as
the martin luther king center and animal
shelter
as far as parks you're going to see a
resolution
in june to replace the pool liner at the
recreation center
is where wells repair the balcony
wallets in uh
that state of repair means it needs to
be repaired um
we're planning on closing the pool in
july
to do that project so um you'll see a
request for as a
resolution on the june agenda for that
project
next please uh public safety um yeah i
met extensively
with um the police commissioner
um and incorporated in the plan is uh
the purchase of three new patrol
vehicles which they desperately need as
well as um gators and i think they use
to
control the boardwalk um also
right now we i think we're gonna have
from what i understand our first female
firefighter
um so it's imperative that we give them
the facilities that they need
it's also going to be utilized by the
female police officers
so they're going to be writing
installing a new uh women's
police department and fire department
locker room and shower
um there's also a whole slew of upgrades
um technology upgrades for the for the
police department um
the commissioner he can probably weigh
in later better than i can
explain because it's a little technical
a lot of things that they want to do
but they're all needed from what i
understand
and also a lot of work in the precinct
we have some funding to do some work in
the
general work in the precinct um the fire
department this is a
mistake this actually isn't supposed to
be here this is my mistake
as far as the ambulance that's actually
not supposed to be an attack it's
actually in the operating budget it's
going to be leased
and the same thing the uh ppe the
personal protective equipment that
is also in the operating budget that
wasn't supposed to be in this
presentation it will be removed
from the um from the final capital plan
because again these
are not in the capital plan it's
actually items that are in the
operating budget not the capital budget
so um
shouldn't really be in this presentation
but it was an error on my on my end
next please um
as far as the water you know we have we
have a lot of work to do
on our water system on the sand filters
in our
in our water treatment plant we have 10
of them they haven't been
addressed or rehabilitated i should say
in the last 20 to 25 years
um our intent we put 250 000 in the
capital plan that's the cost to
rehabilitate two of them
we'll do two and we have uh in the
budget to do
two for the next five two every year for
the next five years which will
rehabilitate all ten of them
um as far as construction of new weld
wall house
the design is underway right now the
city has
eight wells active wells in the city
that provides us our
drinking water they come from the lloyd
aquifer um
unfortunately three of them are out of
service number 16 is collapsed
number 17 i was getting high salt water
readings and number 11
we're having serious problems with right
now and we fear that it's collapsed as
well
so the five remaining wells three of
circa 1960
um so it's imperative i mean it's a big
chunk of the capital improvement plan we
have four million dollars in there
to um to build a well my my goal is if
this is approved is to have it built
um by this time next year um there's a
water system component again
which is basically um replacing the
water mains on the new roads that we
that we um reconstruct for example on
boyd street
there's basically a water sewer and a
general construction component
um so this the water system component
falls under the water in the capital
plain and high pump replacement there's
five pumps
that pump the water at the plant um
there's money in there to replace those
five pumps that are
you know that are needed repair um as
far as sewer we only have 600 000 miles
i mean
again that's on another slide but it's
basically for um
emergency sewer repairs replacement and
um
for our rotary construction projects
next please
now this just these these next two
slides basically give
just a little more detail uh kind of
expands upon
the previous slides it gives you a
little more detail i'm
not going to go through them all in
detail but i'll explain like the first
one
and the second one just to give you an
idea of what i'm trying to present here
um like the first one is road
reconstruction i'm asking for eight
hundred thousand dollars in new funds
there's thirty one thousand that current
is that exists
in our capital from old capital budgets
um
so you can so in other words you're at
the bottom of 31 conservative bonded for
um so we're basically we're going to
need 800 000 to be bonded
so that would give me 800 if you had the
two together in this case you'd have 831
000
um and this would go towards the doyle
street reconstruction that we're
proposing for next year
overlays basically again we're asking
for 150 000 new funds for overlays
there's 159 in existing so if you total
them together we would have
uh 300 plus we have money from um it's
called chips
it's uh it's grant money that we get
agile um and in this case we actually
have money from pseg to do some overview
work as well
so we're going to do a lot of overlay
work next year our roads are in
disrepair
and we're really trying to um be
aggressive with that um
current sidewalk replacement 50 000.
that's with projects like i don't if
anybody's been in front
of bank of america or for jj cooper as
you see a lot of concrete work done in
the middle
to replace defective areas that's what
that money is used for that's basically
repair city
uh streets and sidewalks that's what we
use that money for um
park avenue resiliency i mentioned that
earlier there is a grant
that's associated with that so this 1
million 25 is part of the match
that we need for the 2.5 million dollar
grant um so it's
important that we have that in there um
a trolley that 68 000 is the
city's share um from the department of
transportation
um 540 thousand i should say forty five
hundred forty thousands from the
department of transportation 68 is
required from the city
um as i mentioned earlier regarding the
police
um we put in 1 million 28 500
for um that's three police vehicles
three gators various technology upgrades
and
precinct upgrades on fire department as
i mentioned earlier this was a mistake
that's not supposed to be on the chart
that is coming from operating now so
that
um just please ignore that one line
um the pool on our recreation 100 000 of
that is going to come from
community development block grant money
so on the city's obligation to that is
only
15 000. we've received bids from a
company called
renisus construction for 114
700 um so that 15 000
is to give us 115 000 that we need
um to build that project in july ice
arena roof for requesting 800 000
to repair the roof it's in severe state
of disrepair
it needs to be replaced um
this 490 000 requested to renovate fire
department headquarters
um you know i've been in there it's it's
way overdue
um they deserve it they need it um
that's work that our
beach maintenance department with their
skilled carpenters is going to undertake
um next slide please um sold storage
dome this
is another grant that we have um the
grant is for approximately 110
000 uh we already have 50 000
of it available so we're asking for
another five this is going to be the 55
000 uh match for and ten thousand dollar
project
um you back up generator city hall we
already have 120
000 existing funds i've gotten readiness
recent estimates
from consultants that the project is
more in the area of 250 000
that's why we're asking for another 130
uh roofing this is to address roofing
um in areas like our police auxiliary
building in various buildings around the
city
uh tree planting now this is interesting
in order to
um to to build edwards and nationals out
the park we actually took the
landscaping
out of the project um so we could come
in on the
within budget to build those projects we
took it out so
our city uh forces are ultimately going
to do this work in the spring and the
fall
um so that's what that tree planting
money is going to be for it's basically
the landscape national and edwards south
of park
um the fencing is 50 000 just for
various repairs around the city
the next three are really related to
economic development
um patty bourne um spearheading these
efforts
um you could certainly ask her if you
have more specific questions about those
but it's a hundred thousand dollars for
economic development zoning study
the eaf slash eas for a zoning study and
also hundred thousand for parking stuff
uh sewer upgrades at six hundred
thousand that's essentially for
unforeseen uh repairs to the sewer
system
and um sewer replacements on our
complete streets projects
uh the well which i mentioned previously
you know that's probably the most
important thing on this list at least
from my perspective um
again we have eight wells only five are
active
three are out of service uh sand filter
rehabilitation two hundred fifty
thousand that's to do two
in the coming year out of the ten that
we have
and hundred 000 is for various
improvements
at the water treatment plant next please
so in summary we're requesting 5.2
million dollars in the
2021-22 general fund improvements
and 4.9 million total for the sewer and
water fund the breakdown is shown below
there
the general fund is five million two
fifty one five hundred the sewer fund is
six hundred thousand
and the water fund requested four
million three fifty that total is
approximately 10.2 million
again it's it's this isn't much you know
it's higher than last year's and and
the main reason is the well if you take
out the well you know we're more on the
range of what a typical
capital plan is but it's um it's a
crucial project and
and i recommend that we move forward
with it
next please and um that's pretty much it
that's my summary i really want to thank
again i can't
thank uh nina really helped me a lot
with this i do appreciate all your help
and city manager as well thank you donna
i really appreciate
you know the time and attention you gave
this was my the first one i did on my
own
and uh i do appreciate everybody's input
and cooperation thank you
all right thank you joe um i think the
big takeaway here is that
uh we're doing a lot of infrastructure
work across the city
uh especially on infrastructure that uh
quite frankly desperately needs it the
been a long time coming
and i think the other thing that's worth
noting is all the grant money we've been
able to bring in um to pay for this
i mean we're talking tens of millions of
dollars here
that we're bringing in grant money so
this is a very good news story we're
getting uh
getting a lot of things that need fixed
fixed and uh
we're getting help to pay for them so uh
all right uh before we go to the public
then i guess i'll circle back since i
was
jumped the gun there a little bit and
ask if the council members have any
questions
i do not but i wanted to thank joe for a
great job
thank you yeah great great job you guys
i don't think people realize how much
work goes into these things um
you know all they see is the end product
they don't realize the months and months
of work that go into getting us here
thank you i appreciate that so uh all
right anyone else
not at this time but i too just want to
thank joe and his team
okay so uh all right dave why don't we
uh
move on to the uh public and uh who do
we have
first speaker is kevin heller okay good
mr heller
uh yeah joe great job thank you so much
for the uh
thorough uh presentation just one quick
question i do apologize
if you made this point and i missed it
on the
million 28.5 on the police it's all kind
of grouped together vehicle tech
precinct upgrades i'm just curious
if any of those vehicles uh now or in
the future
are hybrid or fully electric and if so
is there
potentially grant funding available for
for that either now or going forward in
the future
yeah i don't know if the commission is
on maybe you can talk about that because
that's a little out of my uh
expertise thank you yeah sure so the
vehicles that we're getting right now
are the ones that are off of state bid
our garage really doesn't have the
capacity to fix electric vehicles right
now with the training
so we're staying with standard vehicles
now i actually uh
uh have some somewhat of a knowledge of
uh
really trying to look into electric
vehicles into the future which will be a
recommendation in the future because
the operating cost overall are lower
you don't have to pay for brakes you
don't have to pay for transmissions
there's no carbon
stuff like that the issue we have though
is the number of vehicles that you'll
actually need
for something like that as well as
charging stations
so you'd have to have vehicles where at
the end of a shift
you'd have to have double the amount of
vehicles because the cops would have to
be able to get into the patrol vehicles
into other cars
so that the cars that they use for the
12-hour tour would be recharged
so there are considerations it's
something that i'm definitely looking at
for the future because i uh i care about
my planet too
so uh that's a great question though
kevin thank you very much
okay great thank you okay thanks kevin
all right who's next dave uh next is roy
lester
okay hi john hi joe thanks
thanks for uh the presentation um
i do have a couple of questions on the
sewer
we're asking for new funds of 600 000
but
it says here that we have already uh 1.4
million dollars worth of funds
in existing bonding funds and uh
the sewer will be taken over by nassau
county
and i understand the 600 000 is for the
emergency repairs but the bonded funds
you know i'm wondering what that money
is going to and
we seem to have a continuation of the
sewer
uh the costs over the years and i'm
wondering what that is about
the other thing i wanted to ask about is
the well number 19.
did we get bids on that for the 4
million
and 19 is not working right now is that
correct
because you're saying we have eight
wells you labeled three that were not
working but you didn't label 19 is not
working
so well 19. i'm sorry right you finish
your question
yeah because otherwise they cut me off
um
and on police vehicles it seems like the
police vehicles
you know we're spending 283 for the
three vehicles
but then we also have allocated 200 000
for the vehicles in 2023
200 000 in 2024 200 000 in 2025 200 000
in 2026.
i i'm wondering how often we're
replacing the vehicles
um the other question i have is on the
economic development studies that's 465
000 just on studies it just seems to be
a lot of money for studies
and finally on the ice arena we're
talking about 800 000 for the
replacement of the roof
and yet we only put in 3 500
on the ice arena for maintenance every
year maybe if we put a little bit more
into maintenance we wouldn't have to be
replacing an thousand dollar roof or
things like that you know i i look at
the weld the well sporty
four million dollars and we have
nineteen thousand put aside for it
we're not you know i guess it's the
maintenance that's bothering me it's
like
you know not changing oil in the car
because you don't want to spend the
money on the oil
but we end up then having to buy a new
engine those are my questions
um i'll try to pick off as many as i can
um well number 19 is the proposed
uh number for the new well so no it has
not been built yet
okay the the three that you know we do
have eight
wells and only only five are active
right now so
three of them one is collapse that's
that's it it's out of service it's not
gonna ever work again
um number 17 we're having salt water
issues what happens is you pump it for
like three minutes and you get these
really high quality
fluoride readings that are wave um
you know outside the limits and then
within like two minutes or so three
minutes
it starts to they disappear and that's
the one we just fixed right
um 17 i don't know if it's one we just
fixed but we really we can't use it to
help
let us know well number 11 is the one
right on um pacific boulevard
that's the one that wellhouse would
recently that one what happens is you
pump for the first five minutes it goes
up to
not 750 to 800 gallons per minute and
then it loses its prime
it goes to zero i've watched it happen
i've been down there
so we're in the process of uh doing a tv
inspection
they're gonna pull the pump and do a
test pump there
but there's a very good chance that that
one might be uh collapsed as well
um as far as the sewer money no no i
asked about bids did we get bids on that
no no right now it's we
the only thing we awarded was the design
that was at a previous council meeting
we awarded the design to h2m they just
commenced design
you know i basically told them that i
wanted them to hopefully finish the
design by the end of this year
then we'll go out to bid and build it
presuming that this hopefully gets
adopted um and build it
in the uh spring of next year so the
four million is just an estimate right
now
correct yeah yeah but i got that that
estimate is from h2m
i initially actually had 2.5 million in
the capital budget before i finalized it
and they basically said that they based
on
what's happening right now in the market
that one million is the realistic number
so
um i mean it could be less it could be
more it is just an estimate
um that's correct um you mentioned
six hundred thousand for the sewer and
and the in
in the in the spreadsheet that we
prepared we do carry it out
six hundred thousand dollars a year 2025
but if you notice in 2026 we stop
we don't anticipate we'll be out of the
bid hopefully we'll be out of the sewer
business
by 2000 supposed to be 2024 actually but
um
as far as this spreadsheet i i continued
it until 2025.
in 2026 there's nothing shown i believe
um yeah because we should be i've been
working and that's probably uh
a meeting for i could take up a whole
nother evening to work that's going on
at the
wastewater treatment plant but we should
be out of the business by 2024.25
so you're correct about that um what was
your other question i'm sorry
you mentioned about the the existing you
have down the
existing uh bonded funds of almost 1.4
million
for this sewer yeah that's very you know
that's interesting that's
that's a that's one of the things i
mentioned earlier in the presentation
i went through the exercise and
and not just in the sewer department but
in a lot of the other budget lines there
was
quite a bit of money that was
bonded for but never spent um and i had
a long conversation with the city
manager
and the city controller about this and
it's something we're really gonna work
on in the next
in the coming months that if it's not
gonna be used it's gotta be
uh put towards debt service um
because i i've observed a lot of that
and not just
in that fund but in technology and
transportation
um and you can see it on the spreadsheet
if you look closely yeah
but you know what i mean what i'm asking
why do we need the 600 000
new money if we have that money well
because
remember it's only you can only use the
money for what it's authorized for
so if it says sewer repair in that line
that's the only you can't use everything
else that's on on the sewer
it has to be designated over 500
so to speak so another way only the
money that's authorized for
sewer pass can be used for sewer repairs
you can't use like replacing pumps from
the sewer department for
sewer main repairs it's got to be what
it's authorized for
i mean you could probably explain that
much better than i can
but um that's one of the things you gave
me a very good education
on you can only use the money for what
it's authorized for
okay and i asked about economic
development is that something i don't
know if patty's on i mean
yes patty's available yeah she could
probably describe those are projects
that
you know she requested um i don't really
have a lot about dave can you move paddy
up
so she can speak if you want i can
answer the
question while you're waiting
oh okay she just sent me a text said she
could um
go ahead and answer the question about
the cars so roy
asked about why we needed the money
going forward uh
right now yes to 200 000 every year
yeah going forward okay yeah so
uh maybe i just misstated it though
so in any case uh we we right now
are in a replacement cycle for our cars
at 12.3
every 12.3 years our entire fleet will
get replaced
a typical police car runs 24 hours a day
seven days a week
and uh basically he's in motion 90 of
that time
as well the average uh aging of a police
vehicle in one year
one year is equivalent to three years of
driving your personal car
30 000 miles a year so we are well
below where we should be uh funded on
that
because we are really trying our best to
take care of these cars the best we can
and we're recycling older cars by even
replacing motors and just
up kind of giving them facelifts and
uplifts so that we don't have to replace
our cars as much
we're hoping that uh over the next three
years by replacing the three vehicles a
year
and our atv fleet as we go because they
get
pretty beat up throughout the year too
on the beach running a lot
in the sand and the assault that
as the city recovers financially we'll
be able to increase those funds to be
able to make our replacement cycle
what's typically recommended for a
police department and public safety is
every five years for police cars
your larger fire department trucks and
stuff like that when you think about
they don't run 24 7 they sit in the
garage and wait to be deployed
a police car is manned all the time so
uh we're
well below the the uh industry average
in cost for our fleet we have about 37
vehicles
and uh it's about 12.33 uh
years to replace our entire fleet hope
that helps
okay
was patty going to come on up no she
wasn't so roy we'll get you the answer
to that question we'll post it to the
website
your question and the answer to the
website like we are doing for the
general
okay thanks a lot thanks
all right take care roy all right who's
next dave
that was it oh that was it okay
so all right folks thanks for joining us
but
nope no james lynch just raised his hand
okay
might have just woke up when he uh when
he heard me say thanks
easy bendo
good evening uh this question is for joe
fabrizio
joe first uh congratulations on your uh
move to the
head of the dpw thank you well deserved
thank you my question is uh four years
ago the city got a grant
i believe it was four years ago to
outline uh
the uh infrastructure of the walks to
replace the sewer and water lines
and as recently as last year they came
and uh
the subcontractor came out and marked
out the lines and uh
where all the other utilities were going
and somehow this thing seems to have
died on the vine
once again and i'm just wondering are
there any other areas of the city
that have clay sewer pipes going back to
1923 that are still
in use that have not been upgraded
um to answer the second part of the
question
i observed it today on the north side of
park between new york and grand i
think it's all clay all tile and it's
old
so that's pretty much what exists
throughout the whole city um
i do have a map showing like what areas
we've upgraded over the last like 25 30
years
but to answer your second question
you're absolutely correct that that
problem
that project uh it's called the walks
it's um
basically upgrading all the water mains
and sanitary
remains and you're correct that it has
stagnated unfortunately
um the consulting firm uh working on it
is the working
model issue consulting engineers um they
have yet to finalize the design
um after this meeting i i will call them
to find out what the status is
it's it's definitely been going on way
too long i agree with you
um but you're correct that is a problem
okay so thank can i ask this if you're
gonna speak to them
before the next uh or the ratification
of this uh
uh this uh budget
can that be included because other other
than that we'll be waiting another five
years to
to revisit this well it's included in a
sense like if you look under the water
fund
i think there's over a million dollars
in there um unfortunately um
i think it's 1.2 million
right under system upgrades there's a
1.2 million in existing funding
um that's not enough unfortunately
though for
the complete replacement of the water
mains because the intent is to basically
abandon the 4-inch water mains that run
behind the houses
and put new eight-inch water mains down
the actual street and then connect all
the houses into them
you probably it's probably on the order
of two to three million
um so my intent is based on their
schedule is the problem
realistically is the next capital budget
is to request
request additional money in that line um
what
system upgrades to request like say
another million and a half
two million so we have ample money to do
it not next to them
in the following year in other words 20
to
after next july all right but it's going
to stay on the radar
that it hasn't died on the vine no it
hasn't but
you i agree 100 i mean it is it's it's
taking
a lot longer than it should i think in
my opinion um
i i agree with you um but we have to
what's the word to uh get it to grow
again we have to
you're absolutely right and and it's a
valid concern
valid point and i can update you on that
after i talk to the consultant
absolutely
and but my goal was to actually
realistically we're going to ask for
more money in next year's capital budget
because this one is a lot higher than
than than i wanted it to be but the
wells was
certainly a priority just to put
additional money in for the next capital
budget so we could do it
after uh july of next year
understood all right thank you that's a
good question thank you
thanks jamie um anyone else dave
nope that's all all right thanks for
joining us
wait wait wait do i have a motion to
close i'm sorry i did it again wow
that's okay
most of the clothes get punched happy
who will make a motion to close the
night well thank you
second i will thank you voting council
member delorey
yes councilmember mandel yes
councilmember treston yes and thank you
again joe
vice president mcginnis yes president
bendo
yes all right now i could say good night
so uh thanks for joining us
thank you thank you joe and your staff
and ena
and everyone who worked on this like i
said uh
people just see the end products they
don't realize the amount of work that
goes into developing this and the budget
and
it's a huge undertaking for the entire
staff so
thank you and uh we will see you all at
the next meeting
next meeting is this upcoming tuesday at
7pm