e it goes that works better okay we're alive all right good evening folks welcome uh to a working meeting of the city council um probably most people know the drill but just in case you don't you just uh this is a meeting for the council so you're just going to basically be hearing us talking about some city business some city issues there's no public comment uh no good and welfare nothing like that it's just basically you you're listening to us talk about uh some city uh uh what's going on in the city so uh why don't we get going um i guess uh we got a bunch of people on so uh let's see where should we start you want to start with uh mr benjamin this is liz can we just introduce everyone real quickly that's on the call for just a quick go around if you could just introduce everyone uh okay everybody want to introduce themselves why don't we start with you liz elizabeth city council okay i'm gonna go in the order of the pictures on my screen at least so john bendo city council donna oh donna gayden city manager mike mike delorey city council member all right karen aaron mcinnes city council member all right denise ford the denise ford county legislator okay matt i'm matt animal laurel okay monique monique powell director of community development all right ron ron walsh incoming commissioner police all right rich rich barrios deputy corporation council all right mr frazier uh dave fraser city clerk and joe who is muted i don't know if he's paying attention there he goes joe fabrizio city engineer public works okay john uh john mcnally executive assistant to the city manager and tommy and tommy might be eating dinner so tommy ken is from our uh beach maintenance department uh runs our beach maintenance department but don't let that name fool you beach maintenance does uh most of the maintenance around the city building maintenance things like that and he's deputy commissioner of public works and he's deputy commissioner of public works okay um so where should we start should we start with uh youth and family services all right i think that's you monique that is me okay so uh first up is that um we can start with the mlk building all right we reviewed the safety reopening plan uh it went through thorough review um and they are they receive the okay to resume programming okay so this is the safety review plan from mlk inc correct sorry mlk inc okay so it's there every single okay yes good all right liz i think you were you gonna ask something well karen i think karen oh it's karen sorry i thought it was liz oh okay sorry okay so that's that we'll move on to the next to our sandbox program which is our preschool program we have extended the program we're very excited to offer to families that are in need so it's a full monday through friday program it mirrors the pre-k program which is a half a day so we swap in and out between am and the pm of pre-k programs um some new things with the sandbox is that we are using a new software so we're going completely remote and digital with our software which allows parents to pay online so it increases transparency they can enroll online it's called procare i've used it previously they can receive their balance tax paid tax information attendance is taken the covet questionnaire is done online um basically that increases transparency about systems and policies it puts parents on the node they get great pictures and activity reports the calendars online um so we are very excited to launch that we received it today i met with the staff to onboard that um and i you know stay tuned to all the greatness that it can happen that will happen because of so so it eliminates the moving around um the old brick and mortar daycare to now being more a competitive advantage is that we have that software so we're looking forward to that okay now just quick question sandbox that's the one that we're extending the hours now longer than it was uh previously so the kids have more time yes we did a need assessment with the families in particular what's in and their needing was the needs is that they needed a full week program we were currently operating three days a week um so we looked at our market of families that take advantage of it and they needed it monday through friday and also an extended day so we're now officially opening it we just had to make sure we had the people places and things to make it happen i want to make everybody aware though the staff was working all of the hours so we did increase hours they just weren't having kids so the they're getting the same amount of hours that they were getting before we just extended the time for the children okay so it's not costing us any more but we increase the amount of service we're providing yes which will then bring in some type of program and revenue for us that would be great now that's also for our am and pm program that we have at west end in addition to the sandbox and at lido so again that you know that brings the program more into the forefront of the families of what they needs are to be able to pay online to receive what their child is doing to receive messages so we are hoping to increase our enrollment now that everything else is in place um money can um for someone like i don't have children so i don't know the ages of the programs that you're talking about so when you say program can you just sort of try to say exactly what program you're you're talking about by identifying it by name but then explaining like the community that who it serves so that someone like me who who isn't familiar with your programs can understand and appreciate all the work that you're doing great thank you good point um so what we did was the west end community center which is adjacent to the western elementary school uh we have now made that like an early childhood learning center so early childhood would be from birth from families to expecting families all the way up to four years old in that building we have a before school program for the elementary school kids of western only due to covet it's only where we co-located at and we have a pm program for the elementary kids which starts after school so in that building we have the am and pm which we only service west end and then we have the sandbox now the sandbox is the preschool not pre-k but preschool program and it operates from 9 15 until about 12 30 and that's what th that's previously how it operates what it operated with three days a week so it was like monday wednesday and friday we have now extended it from monday through friday for nine from nine to 12 30 and then after that from 12 30 to 2 30 um and don't quote me on the exact times but it's the afternoon program and that is for the preschools so um and so that's the program in that building sorry then we have our am before and after school program in the elementary school of lito um and we do the before kid and after care there wait elementary when you say leto do you mean lindell or lido okay yeah so what has happened because of covid we used to operate in more schools um however due to covid uh we are now only operating out of lido which is not our facility right so that's that now the thing about this software is great parents can enroll online they can register for the programs we're also using the same software for our magnolia second floor when we have youth programs so if you want to register for any youth programs whether it's early childhood uh whether it's um in school age or older youth adult high schools it's the same registration process it's a link they go online they pick the program it automatically takes information from families as far as authorized pickup any medical allergies and every staff member receives this information so it's an easier enrollment registration if there's any fees associated with it they pay right then and there online now if we didn't have covert restrictions about how many kids could we accommodate uh i mean our capacity is about 60 you know i get excited over that um but it's based on our license but you know to the moon to the moon okay all right so we got room to grow oh we do we do okay good good um so that was the sandbox um so i could segue into the youth program so we have opened up magnolia second floor that's where i'm at now you probably see my lucky friend the giraffe here that's how you know i'm in um we started our first program tonight we did a cupcake decorating program of course we followed our covet guidelines we had kids here that were decorating cupcakes and they made valentine packages for anyone of their choice so today was the first day from four to six we plan to have more youth activities we have a black history uh scavenger hunt where we are placing qr codes around our sydney parks so during next week when kids are out of school with permission of course they can travel around to our load to the local city parks in their community they can look for these qr codes take their mobile device or their phones scan it and learn more about african american inventors um and even some very important information about inventors who even invented the cell phone um the um super soaker um so it's something that is engaging for the kids now the good thing is that they could take it in they could memorize it but we don't want them we want them to be able to comprehend and understand and we're going to put a live quiz on our website where they get to answer the quiz if they get more than six right we'll pull their names out and we will raffle them all for a prize uh the next youth program that we have we're gonna do one-on-one personalized tutoring uh so families of only 10 right now just because we like to have accurate data to make sure that it works we'll have 10 families the first 10 families sign up for one-on-one personalized training and we believe there's loss of learning due to covid and there's only a certain amount that families can provide i have two kids and i still can't count to 100 at times so it's what we can help families with um so this tutoring can either be of their choice at home or here at the magnolia second floor uh the tutors uh have decided to do a bromolian as they wish we will provide the services here and have the child come here with the permission slip and take the tournament or they can do it at home the next uh the next program is the stock market game so we are releasing the kids stock market game where they get to sign up and join the app and compete and virtually invest a hundred thousand dollars of their money and learn how to to do the stock market game so you will see that flyer coming up as well can i fight no yeah i'm doing the high school version so you could do the high school one with me um so you will get the link it will be on our website um so we're getting things moving up here we like to do it slowly just so we can get good data to make sure that we are doing it right and that is getting to everyone in the community because this is access to all and for those who can't make it here thanks to transportation there's a bus from riverside that takes from riverside all the way to magnolia so we we are creating our programs around that time so that everyone have access to it we're constantly updating the website so you don't have to wait for a phone call or anyone to tell you we are trying to get the practice of looking on the website updating it we communicate with the school districts we have street teams in certain neighborhoods to help us in areas to help us to get the word out because we believe word of mouth with kids means that they're engaged um in addition to that we're having a black kid magic for black history where they get to come in and they need they're going to get to do some black history crafts listen to some music learn about the culture most of these events like i said are 4 to 6 p.m um it is open to all in addition to that we're having yoga and dance movement in zumba so that will be on the website as well um and again we limited to 10 kids now because of kovit we just want to make sure everything is well yeah yes liz can you just spell out what uh the website for people yes it's on a long beach where i have it on my flyer it is long beach ny dot gov slash yfs that's youth and family services so we are reactivating that department letting people know that we are providing all services for the youth family youth and family sorry and one the next thing that we do is seniors so we are moving forward with providing senior programs uh we are making this department here a one-stop shop so if you youth and families and you need services information our phone number is there uh we have someone there that answers it dominique uh provides you with resources whether it's within the community or the city um and the first thing we've been getting calls is for seniors because of the vaccine but we were able to answer it um we were able to take in a survey as well for them and provide these services so that is the youth and family services department in a nutshell keep eye out on our youth council that's coming up so we are going to start recruiting for a youth council um and i'm not taking up no more of your time can you just explain that youth council real quick yeah it's similar to um the advisory board the senior advisory council to the planning council it's what better way um what a better way is to find out the needs to find out what's going on you know we cannot alone say we know what's needed we cannot alone say you know the policies and the thought so it's gathering gathering youth from all over the city of long beach um they're gonna meet i'll be the liaison um of course we probably have fee kids whenever we can but to get an idea of what their needs are have them maybe go through programming and see that we're offering the best um and that's it okay great uh anybody got any questions for monique i the only one karen do you have a question no i just want to know if i can steal her for the police department oh my giraffe no no um monique under community development on the website it has virtual homework help academic support what that is is that i've decided to also make this website a one stop shop from all community programs so the mlk is having a academic help so i i broadcast every program for youth and families on it even if it's not sponsored or hosted by the city and that's what you see there we do a it's a whatever it's a calendar of events that's happening and if you click the link it'll tell you who's doing it i believe right it's just and then you need a zoom link and everything like that and it's uh it says virtual homework help academic support program for elementary and middle school i think that's great too well you know what if we're saying all access to all right again if if someone comes in and say they need help we need to be able to direct them to who's doing what whether the city is sponsoring it whether it's a community-based organization because at the end of the day their needs need to be met so now on our website if there's any programs that's going on whether it's youth families or students that's under the the youth and family services it will be broadcasted and they know where to go to find it so i have my weekly my um bi-weekly meetings with the non-profits and community organizations and i created the email that they can send me upcoming events that they have that we should be able to market and let the community know and that's that collaboration and partnership um that you know that we're broadcasting and saying access to all um so the mlk is actually doing that and they have a financial literacy i believe we put up there i also put up the soup kitchen um because it's you know as transparent as you could be is on the website no one has to call and ask questions so this is karen i would just ask on the software program that you have um the control am i correct to assume the controller's access has is the only one that has access to that yes there's a separate um billing and finance access that they already have and in order for me to do the software i had to receive their i would say their blessings the information the bank account because we accept payments it's a processing and yes they're very excited too that's fabulous and when you say that's it that that is so much work i'm exhausted already so thank you a lot of work thank you yeah good stuff all right uh i see mr mcnally's on uh what what's going on in your world there john he might be off yeah i just had like a computer leg yeah yeah no there was my computer was lagging there it stalled out for a second apologies so good evening all um a couple of quick updates first and foremost was on the the pop-up vaccination site that happened at magnolia center today uh which was wildly successful uh in my estimation but also i know there's a lot of confusion about so just wanted to give you all an update and see if you had any questions so this is this pop-up site is part of the governor's initiative to ensure really equity in the vaccination distribution program that's going on throughout the state and that equity component is to make sure that there is a specific uh very targeted approach to making sure that low-income and minority communities are [Music] given access to the vaccine these are groups that were disproportionately affected by covet 19 um super high in terms of those that had hospitalization rates and infection rates uh but also at the same time had have a history of not getting vaccines whether it's through a distrust of of the science whether it's not having computer accessibility to be able to get on to it whether it's not having transportation to be able to get to it these are communities that historically and in present day are underrepresented in the ability to get the vaccine so this was you know this is a governor initiative they reached out to us late last week i believe it was last friday came and toured a couple of sites decided that magnolia would be the site um and the city you know if we can get shots in arms for any of our residents we're all about it we've been advocating for it for you know since since the vaccines were approved by the fda um and what happened over you know the really the past four or five days was we partnered with a number of our community groups um the long beach housing authority went door to door and knocked on the door within the senior housing authorities so this was for 65 and over because that's the general eligibility they went door to door to the housing authority senator kaminsky's office was key religious leaders were key and non-profits were paid to really reach out to these groups that uh the governor has made eligible to receive these shots today um and at the end of the day over a five-hour period there was shots in the arms of 386 seniors in our community um and that accounts for more than half of the senior residents in our senior housing authority buildings that is huge this is a population that has been essentially shut in since last march afraid to leave their homes afraid to leave their apartment buildings um you know and through the governor's efforts to target this population you know again this is not a group that generally speaking can get online and have the patience you know or have the know-how or even you know they don't have the ability to get online and get this information they don't have cars so our department of transportation did a yeoman's job today shuttling people from all the different housing authority buildings in the city to the magnolia center so this was today was you know i know there's been a lot of confusion out there there was some not exactly what i would deem excellent reporting by news 12 who just said hey there's a pop-up site from ten to three have at it that that was not the governor's intent here um and you know that's not that's not the purpose of these things this is a very intentional outreach to populations that are disproportionately affected by covet 19. and who traditionally historically and in present-day data show that do not have access to the vaccine um so you know we're very cognizant that there is a very limited supply and the 10 million people who are currently eligible when the state is only getting three to four hundred thousand you know doses a week you're looking at a six month lag in getting shots in everybody's arm who wants them or who's eligible um but this is specifically targeted to a group that would never have been eligible or would have had a very hard time getting those shots themselves so uh we understand frustration of those who you know were not able to get in today or we're not part of the demographic that this is intended for um but if the governor is telling us that they're going to get 386 shots in the arms the people of long beach who desperately need them we're going to facilitate that effort and that's what we did so you know thanks to our beach maintenance department who built a ramp in magnolia thanks to all of our recreational staff who shifted their days today um from what they thought was going to be a rec day to a help facilitate um a pop-up vaccination site today thanks to all the people that answer phones in city hall for people that were you know i had confusion or wanted to try and get on a list um you know and just know that we continue to be in close contact with the governor's office with senator kaminsky with assemblyman miller assembly woman miller sorry um and everyone that we can to continue to advocate for you know a a more permanent site in long beach and more of a supply generally speaking to get to long beach um but today was for what it was intended to be by the governor today was wildly successful i think in our estimation so any other questions on that before i give one other brief hit yeah will they be returning to administer this i'm assuming this is either the modern or fisa will they be returning to administer second doses yes so they will be when when the folks were vaccinated today they were given an appointment for another three weeks out um for the teams for the same time slots that they were allocated for today um so we'll be doing this all over again to make sure that everybody got a first shot uh is able to get a second shot in three weeks and be complete with it and 96 um resistant to to the to the virus okay that's not bad almost 400 people john any this is my delorean any um anything learned today that we could uh implement when the second shot is scheduled i i mean yeah so the group i i neglected to thank first um is so stony brook hospital was the the hospital and the medical workers that administered it um but i think our staff got a really quick training on how to make this work you know stony brook were the experts in this they they managed to through the wreck facility and through you know the magnolia center uh it was a one-way traffic only flow how to set up different stations you know what this process is so i think we we have a pretty good understanding we're obviously not going to be the people putting shots in people's arms but we know what it takes we know what you know what spatially it looks like we know what the process looks like um so i think that augers well for us uh you know in being able to interface with either the county or the state for um doing this moving forward but you know as i'm sure you've been paying attention mike you know walgreens just starting to get it cvs is going to start to get it um i know we've gotten some calls from local physicians that are starting to get their deliveries so and if johnson and johnson's could get their vaccine could get approved as early as next week which would you know increase the available supply of vaccines significantly um we're hoping that it doesn't get to the point where you need to do a community vaccination center and that the vaccine can meet people where they are um but we're obviously you know advocating for our residents um you know to to get everything every resource we can down here and we've offered up uh some municipal buildings and if you know spoken with some of our other non-profit religious partners uh to talk about the potential for their buildings to be activated for something like this as well so you know we're we're making every opportunity available that we can thanks joe you bet um before you go on i want to say thank you to tommy canner and his team one of the things that we had to do um to make sure that we could uh we were ready for any of the handicap accessible um we built they built a ramp in a very short amount of time to make sure that the one-way traffic there was a ramp on both sides in the theater area so i want to say thank you very much tommy um if the ramp looks good i know the guys were saying aesthetically it was not beautiful but it it served the purpose so make sure um you tell them i said thank you and when i see them i'll tell them thank you yeah and ramp doesn't do it this is a this was a big big job um so if somebody just thinks this is a two foot long ramp um not the case this was a big big project for these guys that put it together in just a couple of days um and really made this whole thing possible so tom shawnee all you guys thank you all right uh you got anything else john or uh and and the other thing which i i think will serve as something of a segue of we we have something especially during the times of kovid we have a little bit of a conflicting use in the city hall where um i think most people know the second floor of city hall to be in use by um our court system um and they typically have very tight protocols in our court system with covid you can ramp that up exponentially um so we have traditionally there is there is one room on the second floor that is used for the den of the volunteer firefighters that operate out of the city hall and there's just been with the covered restrictions that have been put in place by the state governing the court system it's just become essentially untenable for the volunteers to effectively use that as as their their dem their their crash pad when they're you know around ready to respond to emergency calls and fire so we've been we've been barking up all sorts of trees and trying to figure out all sorts of solutions for how we can alleviate that conflict and thankfully we have the legislator in denise ford and a county executive in laura curran um and a legislature that is amenable to the idea of the the solution to eliminating that conflict is uh being able to establish you know a a suitable trailer for which will actually be a larger space than they currently have and probably a more comfortable space than the volunteers currently have in the back parking lot of city hall as all of you are well aware the city is in a very difficult financial situation right now and legislator floored has let it be known that there's a really good degree of comfort that the county executive and the legislature under denise ford's lead leadership um we'll be able to purchase a trailer for us for use by our volunteer firefighters um as a den um that you know takes a not insignificant chunk of money this this needed to happen this was not a choice um and really gives a solution that we did not have in-house so um thank you legislator ford for that thank you county executive kern and thank you to the entire legislature for um making this happen it's it's very much appreciated that is really good news and i'm sure the firefighters are going to appreciate it so that's that's great uh anybody got any questions for him on this so uh all right john you got anything else so is that it or i do believe that is it for me this evening unless anyone's got anything else all right uh i would go to tommy and uh to talk about the benches because um uh ron walsh's report is gonna be a little longer okay so uh jimmy yep we can hear you all right i'm live uh thank you for the the great introduction there president bendo and uh you owe me stromboli because my mouth is watering since you said so all right um and uh just to uh for those who don't know i'm tommy cantor i'm donna has moved me to the appropriate title of director of operations it's a better suited title i think we all think um so i'll just give you a quick update on the benches uh as you know the benches they keep breaking um people are you know they're working out on them they're using them they're they're doing box jumps on them if you don't know what that is it's when you you leap from a standing position onto a stationary object um and the the uv rays from the sun it's just it's bleaching out the benches and it they're like they're pretty much past their prime i did get an estimate um you're not going to want to hear this if we were to get the parts we need to fix every bench again it would be 100 11 sixty dollars we have an idea on how to keep the end from breaking because there are three legs on the benches and the parts that overhang the ends it's probably about let's say a foot to 14 inches we were thinking if we added a fourth leg to the benches there wouldn't be such an overhang so no matter what anybody does if they jump on it it's not going to break as easily to do the pieces that we need a broken end the fourth leg you're talking three hundred thousand nine hundred sixty dollars it's a lot of money there are 960 benches there are 300 people on the waiting list that that waiting list can be from yesterday to five years ago so we definitely need to do something obviously um i was talking with greg scott and donner about you know billing the people on the bench uh we have to definitely do something here because we're just going to start to get complaints again that the benches are broken which they are but i i just the city can't sustain keep to keep doing this we just spent i believe it was about 35 000 not even four months ago we replaced every bench that was broken and here we are again with a hundred and eleven thousand dollars in parts so i'm open to anything that you guys want to do uh but we we definitely have to make a move quickly because we can't keep doing this one of the ideas was that we um take some of the people on the list contact them and ask them if we could would they like to have the bench in one of our parks because three additional 300 benches on the boardwalk is a lot of benches um and or other areas in the city you want to talk about that tommy yes definitely we would like donna said we have veterans park there's approximately 40 benches there that were purchased by the city when the park was built those benches need to be taken out they're rusty they're broken so if we were to go down that list in priority order and go from the person who's been on the list the longest and say hey we're going to put your bench in the park one we wouldn't have to pay for the bench we would be able to replace the benches in the park it's a nicer bench it's a better bench and we'll be able to you know have new benches in the park and it wouldn't cost us a dime um there are a couple you know the other parks that we have we can do the same thing um i think the the best thing we should do is figure out exactly how many benches we can put on the boardwalk which will all be on the north side now if we let's just call it 100 benches we put them on the boardwalk we put the rest of them in the park and then we figure out where we can put the rest of the 300 to clear that list because we all know that their that list has been skipped so if we just we can't shut the list down because people are going to say hey i've been on the list five years and there's a bench that was put in a month ago so to satisfy that like donna said we need to do other areas uh one of the areas we were talking about is on bay drive from magnolia down to washington boulevard if we put benches along that walking path that's something we can do we could do the parks uh i don't think there's really any more spots on the beach or the boardwalk but if we put our heads together we could figure out how to to beat up that 300 list of benches i have a question maybe mr barrios can answer this um when people purchase um a bench is it for forever and it's my bench and the city is now responsible to fix it or is there a clause that says after three years you know you have to repay a certain amount of money i can look into it for you um fair for for one person or i mean i i know families that have benches and this is not to disparage the the memory of anyone just looking at how much it cost in the long run if you have a bench for 20 years is it does it turn over it lives as far as far as i know in in the past history is the bench was purchased whatever the price of the bench is can you guys hear me yeah okay sorry um the price of the bench whatever it is there was a thousand dollar one-time installment fee on top of it so it usually comes to anywhere about three thousand but then the city i don't know what the legalities are i don't know what it says but we've been fixing the benches and the the way that the residents think is that we are responsible the city is responsible to keep continuously fix that bench and that's what we've been doing historically yeah again i think that it's a legal issue or a contract issue moving forward perhaps that yes it just makes it just makes sense to if you're any type of memorial thing you have to pay for for upkeep not if it's intentionally broken but if it's five years old do you want to have this in your family then you need to re-up your tommy tell me what's the what's the estimated annual maintenance cost for the benches that currently exist on the boardwalk if we were to charge i think we should charge 500 a year no i'm not i'm not even saying i'm sorry tommy i'm not even saying i wasn't clear so i'm not even saying what we would charge people i'm saying what what are the current costs of the city for the maintenance of the benches uh an estimated cost per year where we're putting i would say a good estimate 75 000 a year we're putting into these benches is that is that with time and materials or just materials that's just material if we were to put the time into it um i'm gonna say we're we're at we're over a hundred thousand i would say a fair estimate is 110 000 and that's every year exactly and every year that goes by it's more because as as the benches become older and you know the it's a composite material which is it's like a plastic and sawdust is the best way i could describe it and from being in the sun it just it deteriorates it it's i don't know if you're familiar with the the material tracks yeah we used it for decking i know i know mr bendo is um as the sun beats on it the uv rays it breaks it down so it becomes more brittle and with the salt water with the salt air exposure and with the sun they become more brittle and there's a lot of benches out there that are up there you know quite some time so they start to deteriorate and they break a lot easier so as each year goes by we're spending more and more money and more and more time on these benches that's why i remember we had this discussion last year and that's why i thought we were looking into an innovative solution where we have maybe a higher one-time cost with a new type of bench so that in the out years we don't have at least 110 000 maintenance because it's just like you're kind of repairing a broken sort of a bench that doesn't have a a longer life so why are we just going to fix something that's going to keep breaking down instead of getting or using a diff type different type of product more well you see except for being on uh you know on a boardwalk i i agree with you to use a different product we're talking a lot of money we looked into actually using the ipe wood which is the same as the boardwalk the decking but the the amount of money we would spend in the labor is astronomical there are different materials anything that's metal we know it's going to rust it's going to look horrible there are a lot of different composite materials it's just the labor involved it would be it would be a huge undertaking and it would be a huge dollar amount i think the best way the cheapest fastest way and it's not cheap is for us to add the fourth leg to the bench so it would be a little it'll be labor intense but if we added that fourth leg and we didn't have that overhang we we shortened the span so to speak i think that is as expensive as it is 150 000 and legs that would probably put a lot of of the breakage to bed because it's it's like i said if the bench becomes brittle for the sun beating on it and if we have a less overhang if we have like say four inches past the legs it's not as likely to break as if you have a foot hanging over and that's 99 of the problems is those ends breaking so tommy if you actually shorten that overhang how much longer would these benches last you think um i don't i couldn't say for sure but i think they'd last i'm gonna just go with it with a guesstimate i'm gonna say they're gonna last twice as long as they are now because that's 99 of it is the end breaking off so if you shorten that span it's a lot harder to break it off tommy could you uh with the with the current three legs could you move the outer legs out closer to the end um without adding that fourth one we could we we looked at that as well we could do that we could give that a shot you know then we wouldn't have to pay for anything it would be just the labor right because if if yeah if you move them out six eight inches you know might accomplish the same thing i mean i i guess you'd have to figure hopefully we wouldn't get bowing in the uh right between the legs but uh i'm sorry tommy go ahead i'm sorry liz you go ahead first ladies first um hi um i would just be interested to see the different scenarios and what each scenario would end up costing over five years and the one that that is the least expensive would probably be the optimal solution well that's not necessarily true well then and we definitely need to look at it if we go with with president bendo's idea the only thing we'd have to purchase is the hardware and you're talking thousands you're talking maybe let's say six thousand dollars in hardware and we would just it would just be the labor so we we could do we could take maybe ten benches at a time and you know we could move the legs out refasten them put them back on the boardwalk and i could figure out how many we could do in a day but i know i know my guys i'm gonna say that they could probably do like 20 in a day take a minute take them off the boardwalk take them to the shop you know move the legs apart put the new hardware in put them back in that same spot i i know we could do it i think yeah what we need to do is uh what karen suggested we need to cost it out either way whether we move the legs um a part in what's the potential of it being boeing list uh tommy let's get together and look at all of the scenarios and cost it out um and then we can come back yeah and the one with just moving the legs uh out a little bit that we could pick a few benches and do it as a test since uh um just as an experiment to see if it works yeah we could do a half a dozen each way and see what what works best i mean yeah that's what i'm saying yeah the three legs is obviously a lot cheaper but we can def we can do whatever you guys want yeah hey just uh to circle back for a second to the uh to that list i mean are we talking about potentially adding benches for the sole purpose of clearing the list and nothing else i mean you know have we actually like do we need do we need benches or is it the purpose just to clear the list yeah we absolutely don't need any more benches there's way too many up there already and that would be that would be the goal to clear the list just so we don't get any blow with with people i don't know i think this this needs to be discussed because having more benches up there is is there's no there won't be no place for the fair there's going to be no place to put concert things well sorry that but people lock their bicycles up to the railings it's and if you're going to start putting it on the north side you're decreasing the walkability for and strollers and the bike lane becomes bigger and more people are in the bike lane again i this is something i think that we should put a pin in and continue to discuss great another idea guys just listening out loud i know the benches the purpose of the benches to some degree right is to commemorate someone's memory right um that memory need not be embodied on the bench well other places on the boardwalk we can put these things well why can't we have such a big cost you know so much money right i've seen i said why can't we have like memorial boardwalk planks or or or other things like that um i mean one work that one of the things that we talked about john i talked about with donna is we used to do the the commemorative bricks in front of city hall yep so we have that there's other areas that we could just discuss and put in those bricks maybe along the bay front on that walking path from magnolia to washington um and then we you know one of one of my guys came up with the idea that we could have somebody do the same plaque that they would put on a bench but we would put it you know maybe uh 50 plaques on one big board like um the artwork they that the i think the junior high school did at edwards boulevard there's little pieces of the old boardwalk like a little six foot six inch piece and they painted them and put sayings on them and they put them all together on one big you know one big area and then we mounted it to the boardwalk that's something else that we can look at yeah so i don't think we're going to solve any of this tonight i mean it's obviously other things we could do so why don't you guys put your heads together and maybe come up with some ideas because we're not going to solve this right now i would love to hear from the arts council who is definitely more creative than me for some innovative solutions i think i think that that tommy tommy tommy is looking to to um i believe tommy that you want to get it done and that's your drive and that's what's one of the things that's great about you but but the thing is like what's really the right solution maybe we need other other other voices to like say what's the best and compact most compassionate and solution you know you could have the hollywood walk you know where you have somebody has a their name in a sidewalk or something you could have but i think the longer range um issue that i have is the current benches that are on the boardwalk will break down have broken down will need to be replaced the current people that have those benches really should pay an annual maintenance fee and if it's 50 or 115 um and i don't know rich legally if we could establish a policy going forward but from my understanding people come down and whether they're out of state out of town or local that like to go to the bench and they sit down they'll put flowers from time to time and it's a little quiet time i don't think a cost to maintain that good feeling or that product that they placed there i don't think it's asking too much if you maintain it that's my personal opinion um at 111 000 divided by 960 benches you're talking about 120 to 125 a year so that's the range that we're looking at on an annual cost but i like all of the comments here as well the three legs stretch them out i like the other ideas so this is a multi uh it's a multi-faceted type of it's not just picking the bench there's location issues there's a lot of things that i just want to give you my thought on it at least on the current benches and the maintenance thanks and i agree with with you karen is uh we need to get more people involved because i look at it from just the get it done part and um you know the more people involved if we pay attention to this one thing here then we can solve it and one of the things that i discuss with with donna and you know of course this would have to be something that would be uh through rich's office is if we put something on the city website that there are there's eight different parts on the bench not including the legs which they don't really need to be replaced very often and we just put that it's if this part's broken it's x amount of dollars including the labor and that's it if the bench breaks they know exactly what it's going to cost and then you know we can bill them for that but how we do that is that's out of my league right so why don't why don't you guys get together figure that out with i guess with rich and whoever else and uh you can come back to us with some uh some ideas on how to how to move forward okay we'll do all right appreciate it tommy okay thank you all right uh let's see i guess why don't we talk about uh i guess we got a bunch of uh uh stuff regarding uh the police radios and uh the oem and stuff like that so uh and the dispatches and services and so why don't we go down that path was that an intro uh i i guess if if you're gonna handle it uh our our incoming police commissioner ronald walsh there you go how are you how's everybody tonight all right all right so um first thing that um we were discussing uh actually with uh with donna was the overall conceptualization of how we're doing dispatch and dispatch services in the police department fire department and uh the learning experiences that we had with our uh snow storm and without oem is handled here so we started to evaluate and look at and uh donna's asked me to look at the communication services that we provide here in the city and uh we we have uh sort of a bifurcated system right now it's actually more than that if you think about it we have the police department that does police ditch patching we have the fire department that does fire and ems dispatching and then we have all of the other radio capabilities that we have in the city for uh public works water department sanitation and all of the different disparate um i guess you just said different departments within the city so um the concept here that we're looking at now is to merge the police and fire dispatch units into one unit in one co-located room so that uh you have police and fire and making it much more efficient because you have the coordination and cooperation that will take place with emergencies happening in the same room so if there's a fire department emergency and you need police department resources to block off a particular steed or something instead of making phone calls or getting on the one radio to talk to one dispatcher to pick up a phone to call the police dispatcher who gets on their radio then to dispatch the call the fire dispatcher goes we need a car to block off beach and and uh and virginia and okay and then she gets on the radio and he or she gets on the radio and does that so the coordinator nation of services and just being close together is much more efficient not even withstanding that you also have at times where it gets very busy in storms and things like that or with large-scale emergencies one police spit dispatcher or one fire dispatcher the the idea here would be also to cross train our dispatchers to be able to handle police or fire or ems dispatching and emergencies so that if a large-scale police or a large-scale fire emergency was taking place they can work together in dispatching the resources necessary to handle the emergency and coordinate that the other thing you will have now is you have about 20 to 22 part-time dispatchers that work in the fire service with no full-timers and in the police department you have four full-time dispatchers with one or two i think right now we have one part-time dispatcher so if you can put them all into one pool that is cross-trained together you now eliminate the need to have a police officer coming in to do dispatching for the police department when someone calls out sick or someone goes on vacation or any number of other things happen where people can't come to work and you have the ability to train both sides if you will as one communications unit so that's the concept locating that above oem you have a conference room i guess you would say on the six and a half floor of uh of the city hall building that really isn't used right now so if it was built purpose-built as a dispatch and communications center you have the space to do that and it can coordinate with oem you reduce the footprint also in city hall because you take the dispatcher from the fire department and the dispatcher from the police department putting them in one room building a new dispatch center while you free up the space in the police department which is overcrowded down in that desk area and eliminating the need for that third floor room in city hall that the fire department currently has you also reduce cost of equipment so uh i brought in uh matt uh tannenbaum matt and i became very familiar with uh each other in nassau county we just um planned out several different radio systems and uh matt's very familiar you know in nassau county i was in charge of the communications bureau for the police department and you know there's 37 different different dispatch locations all coordinate into one right next to fire communications so all they have to do is open up the door and fire calm is there and there's seamless communications there so matt if you want to talk a little bit about some of the concepts uh here uh that i was that i was talking about just to add a little bit of a technical knowledge to it yeah yeah thanks thanks so you know one of one of the things that um that we discussed uh on wednesday i came out and just looked over what the the infrastructure where the city is right now and and really the purpose of that was just to gather gather data look at um look at what's uh what's already installed um and then kind of review you know best practices and uh collaborate with the city to make some recommendations of um you know if there is a possibility of consolidating what's the best way to do that uh and then you know capitalize on some some other infrastructure that that the county has actually built uh four cities and villages and towns uh which the city doesn't currently use uh so there i mean right now this is really just exploring on certain possibilities and then uh you know coming back and collaborating with everybody to to kind of see what's the best practice here what can be done to streamline some of the pv operations with oem uh and then the other entities uh within the uh within the city so matt brought up a great segue matt because part of the design of the three radio projects that i led up when i was in the pd was we have this old 800 radio system that we just rebuilt with six sites so i'll give you a little idea what that means we can drive around anywhere in nassau county with this particular system it was designed for jail operations and for department of public works county-wide right and it's not just public works he uses it a lot of the villages and even long beach used it for a while so you could drive around with a mobile in your car and talking 97 of nassau county uh with so yeah with a mobile and with a portable radio as long as you're not inside a building or anything relatively reliable it's not a police or a public safety network but i'll get to the how that all ties in in a minute so about two and a half years ago two years ago when i was in trying to find out we were trying to do an audit of all of the radios that we had out in the field that the county had issued we lost track of that because dpw county dpw ran the radio systems for a little while and then it turned over to county oem so too many hit cooks too many chefs ruined the stew nobody had any idea where the radios were right so we did an audit and we sent out emails to all the different agencies all 19 villages and the two cities and uh we got answers back from almost everybody except long beach they didn't answer so so long beach never answered whether or not they needed replacement radios for the county issue radios that they had they were free we were taking them back and giving new equipment to the city or the villages so that these systems will work and you have interoperability too well um i knew the system matt and i uh worked on building it it was the first real push that i did when i got there uh and uh i called denise ford and i told her that um we're gonna call and ask to get some of these radios even though the city didn't um didn't respond to the time there's a great need here and we're in a terrible financial uh uh condition and denise knows all too well so legislator ford helped us just get the the permissions that we need to get new equipment so i'm working with tommy canner and uh greg scott right now to map out all of the vehicles that we can put these radios in so that you now have storm and emergency coordination for dpw so it's not sorry for public works but it's not just public works everything here is done uniquely so you have beach maintenance you have sanitation you have public works you have wrecked vehicles you have outside water uh uh uh vehicles all that coordinate to do snow removal and salt who have no way of cool or no communicating because all the radios are broken in the cars so we're triaging right now and prioritizing what vehicles definitely need it oh by the way the buses too need it so so the city did put in a couple of years back what's it uh what's that what's the system they put in matt the motors uh the radio system that they uh recently put in a couple years ago okay there's a bunch of technologies that the city is using one of them being the moto turbo system that's it and then there's a couple of point point systems as well um so it's a you know we're not looking to replace every single unit and you know come in and say oh everything you have has to be replaced now that's this is really to augment that and to streamline up so what we're able to do now is take you have about a third of the radios in all the vehicles that work so we're going to replace with new equipment from the county those radios and add probably another we're going to add a total about 60 or 70 radios into our vehicles take the existing radios that still work put them in vehicles that don't work and on the moto zoom we're going to patch the two systems together so they still can all talk to one another and have a much more efficient and productive way of approaching storms and emergencies whether it's man-made or natural disasters and be able to coordinate ourselves we're also going to put ron let's go back because denise is on the phone let's go back to where we talked about the oem and you can say it if you want no i we made a call we figured that it's going to cost us about 300 000 to bring to put oem all of the dispatch services to the uh sixth floor and um i called um legislator forward and said i need some help and she is giving us hundred and seventy five thousand of the three hundred thousand dollars we need wow so i want to say to you on this call again and again and again thank you thank you and um you will get our documentation in my letter next week yes we're looking i'm so quick and i'm i'm very happy to do this you know we're all long beaches and uh you know for me uh you know as chairwoman of public safety you know safety is of the utmost importance and by having a really uh top-notch communication system i think will provide protection for not only our residents but as well for the offices so i'm more than happy and i'm glad that i i have the funding that i'm able to do this so um you know ron has a lot of work to do and he has to go through the process of dealing with an ima and getting it through the system and he'll probably want to scream by the end of it but um you'll have to be patient and uh but i look forward to this i really enjoy doing i i thank you donna and this city council and and our new uh soon to be police commissioner you know for your forward thinking and and making every effort to start uh making such needed improvements in our city that will benefit everybody so it's my place the small part that i'm playing you guys are doing all the hard work and thank you well i want to say thank you to to you uh legislator ford because without the money it's not possible so thank you very very very much for for giving us the ability to at least even approach this as a uh as a cure to some of the ills of the city it's really great stuff thank you um so just to finish this up a little bit um on like i just want to touch base on something i didn't get a chance to mention on the last working session about the last the only activation we had of oem on january 31st through the february 2nd with that snowstorm um you know the snow emergency was declared and and with that it it turns into you you have snow emergency routes well if nobody gets off your snow emergency route you can't fly your street you can't get you don't have to egress across the city and it becomes a problem so the police department was was very responsive you should know that over those couple of days we issued 272 summons on the snow emergency route and we towed uh six a total of 19 cars which is something that hasn't been done for a long time in the city really going out there and trying to enforce these things trying to get the behavior modification so that when people hear the police department and the fire department going up and down the streets we've declared a snow emergency we need you to move your cars that we're not simply ignored because it's life or death if something bad happens when those routes are not open so i want to commend them for that uh for that for the work that they did there being out in terrible terrible conditions and you know they were pushing cars they were digging cars out i mean dona gaiden and i what did we do uh uh on uh that monday night we got a call from a rather upset citizen who had her and her elderly husband had just shoveled out their car and their driveway and the plow came by and buried him back in so donna and i went out with shovels and we were digging out the cars and the dpw public works trucks came up and we got them back and we had we had a happy customer that night but uh it's just things like that to be able to coordinate to be able to be out there and having the police officers and specials and all the different enforcement and the way the city kind of came together oem opened up it was a little i'd say a little shaky in the beginning uh city manager gayden but it got worked out before the end of that day and it was a very uh very good uh test run for our oem to see how we were able to handle handle storms and uh you know tommy played it tommy and greg both played big big roles in getting the city in that so uh all in all that that's that's sort of my report today i'm opening up for any questions any you guys might have to get a better understanding of the direction we're looking at the one thing i want to say is that we went to the ladies house um she called i answered the phone i never identified myself as a city manager and so we went to her house and we dug out her driveway we started shoveling until tommy's guys got there she didn't know really who we were to she called the police department and to say thank you and they told her who we were and so i want to say to ron thank you because what we did and what we continue to do this is not the first time we've been out there shoveling snow it's about us helping the residents in the community and our job titles does not stop us from getting out helping people that are in need yeah well well it's it's just it's just great pr leadership what we should be doing i appreciated the opportunity to do it um any questions on any of the radio stuff or anything yeah when when matt inventoried the equipment how many of them still had vacuum tubes you're not far off uh john um there's there's quite a bit of aged equipment up in that uh up in the the communications room that so so you know the beauty about what we're doing with the radios is the county it's on the county's radio system so we will once we get all of our vehicles over to that system we no longer have to maintain that all we have to maintain is the equipment to communicate the radios and the car and the portables the the county is providing the villages and the cities with radio systems the small system that they're using matt and i the big system that denise and the and the county legislature just approved which will be up and operational in about five four years for three years actually and then five years for to get everybody rolled on is going to take this six site system remember i said it's limited on portables and it becomes a 24 site system which will be one of the most robust public safety radio systems in the country and it has the bandwidth for the fire department the police department all of our all of our city operations for the whole county so we built a system that all the villages and cities will have to do is have end user equipment and everything else is on the city side on the county side because they were doing it anyway all it was was just creating greater bandwidth and technology has permitted that at a much much cheaper expense than it would have been capable of 20 years ago looks like liz has a question yeah um thank you thank you denise ford uh thank you incoming police commissioner thank you matt uh as so are will our residents see an increase for for example when we have to call 9-1-1 it goes to 9-1-1 and then it goes somewhere else and then it goes somewhere else and then we and then we get to the fire department or the police department okay so will they notice a difference in time and not necessarily time response to the incident but will they notice the difference in how many how long they're waiting on no not at all as a matter of fact what we're looking at is not changing the manner in which emergency calls come in at all all it is is the end side so the way this city works as you understand it is if you're within the city limits and you dial 9-1-1 on a cell phone right right 9-1-1 should show up here in the city but if you're any place else and you hit a tower that's not within the city limits you go to county 9-1-1 and then they forward you if you dial a landline in the city then it goes right to 9-1-1 within the city okay fire com which is not us if i if you call for the fire department and you get county 911 they send you the fire comm and then fire come send you to the fire department so you know and that's another thing we're just looking at at this point is making sure that we have the best possible service to the city so that we get the quickest response of our emergency responders so it's kind of all being evaluated at this time but as of right now it looks like what we just want to do is bring together the current services that we have for the city and make that the most efficient and productive it can be while lowering expenses thank you sir okay um ron and matt is there is this a um this is my delorean um the uhf or the the band systems that are supposed to be um updated upgraded where um i don't know where we are the city is today i don't know where the county is today but it sounds like the goal is to be on one type of delivery mechanism where the band whether it's uhfv i don't remember but there is a goal to get to the highest level of the type of communication and then delivery as far as like towers or repeaters or things like that is that part of an infrastructure improvement that's needed as well so uh i'll take the first whack out at matt and then uh you could add color if you will you know what i mean so the way the way the way you what you're talking about is our radios here in the police department and for the county uh have a tendency of getting wiped out what's called which is what's called tropospheric ducting from around may to around october it can happen at any time but that's generally when you have like this thing called an atmospheric inversion where the radio waves start bouncing off the atmosphere and it comes from norfolk virginia television stations that basically wipe out our ability to communicate long beach has a rudimentary backup system that goes on vhf right matt yeah so which is very high frequency and that's not subject to the deducting the new system that the county built doesn't experience building out bigger doesn't experience that phenomenon because those frequencies aren't used by television statements so to answer your question yes we are going to the place where there will be less interference much more reliable and much more redundant thank you uh commissioner you're welcome you want to add anything to that matt no just just uh you know i started reviewing just the city's fcc licenses and uh so pretty much you're operating on almost every spectrum um that's been used over the past you know 20 years from 46 megahertz you know low band up to vhf up to uhf um pretty much you know all over the the the fcc uh um radio waves uh the system that um that we're looking at uh would migrate a lot of that over to the county backbone which is a you know really really robust uh you know public safety grade uh system thank you matt anything else for anybody you're on mute john and i'm assuming these uh heaven forbid we have another sandy type thing having tie in with county communications i assume would also be helpful um right because this is now when would local uh obviously wouldn't be just a local network anymore right so the so the the police department already uses the county's uh public safety network oh they do okay yeah but and so they would be rolling up anyway so when that system gets turned on for the police departments this the county will be providing new mobile and new portable radios for the for the city um and i mean look the radios that we're installing here now uh just for these cars out in the field for dpw for public i say dpw i apologize for public works and all the other vehicles the buses and stuff it's probably at a would cost us 250 000 just for that so we're getting those for free probably within the next several months all these cars will be taken care of for that and then the building out of the oem center i mean we've offset 275 000 of course from legislative ford's grant to us so we're making huge strides to really start to upgrade but there's a lot more to be done i don't want you to think that this is this is oh great we took care of the radios if you really wanted to do this top to bottom left to right put everybody on the one backbone you're looking at a million bucks you know so we don't have that right not including the radios i'm just talking about the system you should know that a public safety police officer radio retail courses for the one mobile that they hold in their hand that's thirteen thousand five hundred dollars radio for the radios in the car it's what six thousand now matt for the dual band yeah roughly yeah right so that stuff is being given to the city when the police go over this equipment is being given to the city for our public works type of work and coordination of effort for snow and emergency response for other than public safety so once we just get this part done the functionality tommy counter and greg scott room i offer saying this is fantastic you know just the ability to talk to each other and coordinate and do it from one location too because when we have an emergency they'll be able to sit in the oms oem office and talk on their radio to their trucks out in the field and being able to direct them as the calls come in from the public and from the officers who are saying hey you know this road is blocked and tommy says you know what hey billy get over to whatever whatever street and knock and clear that out it's blocked right now that much faster which you don't have right now it's cell phones is what they're using while they're driving and everything else so it's a much much greater level of efficiency denise ford two home runs tonight yeah i'd call this a grand slam yeah yeah hat trick whatever yeah um this is karen i'm sorry i had some i.t connection uh issues but um this unglamorous type of work is the foundation to professionalize the city and to move us forward and it's a lot of work it takes a lot of time it takes a lot of cooperation and communication across all the departments and it's it go it's it's really appreciated by the council i hope i speak for all of us that this this is a tremendous amount of work to move us to move us forward and um we recognize that we know it every day and we are um your enthusiasm is inspiring and catching so i'm just excited to see all the departments working together to uh to help each other to keep us safer and to make the employee have the employees enjoy you know working together more so thank you all right one last piece all of the installs for all this stuff they're coming here and doing it in our garage we're gonna have to take our trucks out of here to get it done so they're really the county's really being fantastic about it it's awesome that's all i got done everybody john finally the into intergovernmental cooperation absolutely nice to see very nice to see so all right uh let's see uh that's all i am all right so we're going on about an hour and a half so that's unless somebody's got something else maybe this is a good uh good point to call it a night um but uh yeah i guess before we go i guess i gotta thank denise again i don't know if she's still listening but uh yeah that was i am john yeah big thank you big thank you um but uh yeah good blo well we're moving in the right direction so making progress so that's that's that's all good so uh liz has got her hand up so yes miss treston uh just to piggyback on uh cooperation uh a reminder that on saturday at 6 00 p.m denise ford missy miller myself and denise please help me with the doctor's name from the town of hempstead dr dave newburgh uh we will be doing uh some an info on covid and vaccines on facebook and you could find it on the city's facebook page as well as missy miller's assembly page so i appreciate that and on a final note if we're closing out happy chinese new year do you know what year it is i do because i have to thank one of our residents mr clancy who wrote us at the very beginning that he would like to see it on the this year's calendar it is the year of the ox the ox okay all right uh anybody else got anything all right seeing nothing we don't have to get mike to make a motion to close the meeting so uh all right uh thanks everyone for joining uh i guess we'll see you tuesday night at the council meeting so happy valentine's day and oh yeah happy valentine's day tomorrow is a city holiday but um sanitation will be taking place as normal in case anyone was not aware of that uh monday is president's day and i believe the same is in effect but check the city's website in case there's any doubts okay thank you thanks everyone all right thanks every