okay we're live
okay good evening folks welcome to our
second meeting of january
and uh let's get the show on the road
okay good evening and welcome to the
regular meeting of the council of the
city of long beach held tuesday january
19th 2021 at 7 p.m
level roll call council member delorey
president
um council member mandel president
council member trusted
president vice president mcginnis
president
president bendo present let the record
indicate the presence of city manager
donald gaiden and deputy corporation
council rich barrios we'll now have a
salute to the flag
i see a tip of a flag peeking out from
behind mr mcnally's head so why don't
you lead us
i pledge allegiance to the flag of the
united states of america
and to the republic for which it stands
one nation
under god indivisible with liberty and
justice
for all
thank you uh so why don't we start with
the
uh city managers report
good evening everyone um the first group
that i have one is margaret and james
from
may we're going to give an update of
where we are
um and i think i saw them they were on
dave hang on one second
okay
okay james you're muted and margaret
you're on muted cad
okay go ahead donna
no go ahead you can give it a okay
well um before james
talks about the are we going to talk
about the policy right now too
that we're reviewing tonight or
approving tonight um you want to
do that but if anybody has any questions
when we get to the policy but you can go
ahead and mention that as well
okay well i'm going to give an update as
to
where we are um as far as what we've
been doing lately
because you haven't heard anything and
just know
that our quarterly report it will come
out on thursday it will be given to
donna on thursday
um we have been working diligently on a
number of things
first let's talk about the haberman case
which has
thrown us all for a loop as you know
and we are reviewing that uh
the steps that we may have to take
um and we are looking at the funding and
financing options
and certainly looking at the credit
rating strategies uh we are in active
talks
with the credit rating person who covers
us
and we are also um talking to donna
almost daily on the various options
that we may have to take in order to
meet this obligation
which we hope goes away um
we are working on the redevelopment of
the city budget book
you are going to i believe love this
budget book
uh this budget book will be very
transparent
it will not only cover the budget
have an introduction by donna as the
city manager for the accomplishments
of the year but each individual
department
will have a section in which
they have their own budget that's part
of the larger budget
and they will talk about their
accomplishments
um their concerns and their future
um plans for the next year
so we we just think it's going to be
terrific for all of you you will not
have a question
about what's going on in these
departments
the fiscal transparency website this
site is now functional
we're working on departmental
performance metrics
and they will be added once the city has
reviewed them
this portal will um basically be used by
rating agencies
investors um anyone that wants to know
including all of you
of where we are financially in the city
the physical conditions analysis
updating that draft
to reflect final comments and updated
demographic and financial information
we're hoping to release it publicly in
february
the multi-year financial plan you know
we were working on that and then of
course
the haberman case came in so it's sort
of
thrown us as i said before it for a loop
and now
we're looking at the um
the re looking at revising it in which
we will include
whatever it is the decisions are to meet
that obligation
uh and we will certainly have a section
about that
in the multi-year plan uh but as i've
told you all before
the multi-year plan which is a five-year
plan
is a live document so no matter what we
put in
now that can change and we can review
that document
every six months to make sure it's up to
date
any new developments that we have to put
in there
hopefully new projects that will
increase taxes
anything like that will go in this plan
and
we will we will keep that up to date
policies we continue to draft policies
as requested
um and that the city will certainly
see those when they have to of the
council will see them when they have to
approve them
and then we have many of you may not
know this
but we have a weekly call with donna
in which we go over where we are on the
assignments we have
and where she is or anything that
donna feels we need to have uh we need
to know
that has happened during the week and
that's that's as i said is a weekly call
um that's where we are and you'll see
that in more detail when you get our
quarterly report
james do you want to uh talk about the
policy they're reviewing tonight
um we certainly can donna i don't know
if you want me to go through
you know the contents of that policy or
you know if you'd prefer to
wait until um you know it's under
consideration by the council
you know defer to you let's wait until
it's under consideration
okay okay so then that's our report
donna
okay um rich is going to give a quick
update on haberman
hey good evening everyone just to follow
up on what margarine spoke about
um haberman through everyone for a loop
for those who don't know
haberman litigation which has been going
on in some form since
the 80s has culminated in a trial court
determination that the city was liable
to the tune of about 131 million dollars
since that decision came down uh city
management has been
in repetitive meetings internally we've
met with cma we've discussed with cma
our bond council
um outside council
and a lot of our consultants just to
basically figure out the best path
forward and prepare us for what
is going to eventually be a meeting with
plaintiff and uh and his team
to figure out if we can resolve this um
in a way that kind of addresses the
needs of the taxpayers
um not just not just theirs um
that's basically i mean the next steps
here are continued discussions
internally
we'll be meeting with outside counsel uh
this week and next week
uh to just kind of really dig into the
meat and potatoes of the matter and we
hope to have
scheduled a meeting with um with the
opposition
uh within the next couple of weeks and
actually just roll up our sleeves and
start
uh start seeing if we can come to a
resolution on this
that's all i have um rich uh are we
still going to use
bob ozolino as our outside counsel
on this next round of negotiations
that's something that we've been
discussing internally um bob has been on
as litigation counsel uh we we look to
his guidance obviously because he knows
the case because he's
been with the case for a long time um so
he's definitely a part of
discussions as far as who's going to be
at the table we're still discussing that
internally
and we hope to come up with some with
some more clarity in the days that come
the days are coming
so we don't know who's going to be at
our side of the table yet
no i'm meeting with bob
um to go over the entire case i've got
all the documents
i will be calling some of you to give me
some background information
so i will be meeting with bob um to
understand the whole case before we get
to the table um
and the goal is whoever is sitting at
the table with me
will have a strong enough background for
us to get to the next step
um so hopefully we will let you know we
will have a conversation
it might be a special meeting that we
have to have and then go into executive
session for litigation
um because the interest is already start
accruing so that's why we're meeting
daily
um so we can get to them as soon as
possible
i also need to meet with uh and read the
zoning board
um notes the idea is that i will not go
into the meeting and have the habermans
tell me something that i should have
known on our side
yeah thank you
you're welcome thank you
is that average that's all i have yes
thank you
all right so john you want to give us
the parking meters
update and uh colbit we did uh
an update on both of these at the
working
miss councilman trusted excuse me just
for
when the transcript is done if we could
just introduce everybody by their last
name
and what they do it will make things
easier for people to read
moving forward mr mcnally okay you bet
so john mcnally executive assistant to
the city manager i wasn't even
necessarily sure she was
referring to me because we have so many
johns in this city
um but as was was preliminarily the
update that i gave
uh at the working meeting last week so
there's not been a whole lot that has
shifted in the ground uh between then
and now but we do continue to i know
councilman delorey is hot on the parking
meter discussion and the parking
discussion
in general so we've
we met last week we requested and
received additional documents from
our consultant that goes over some of
the the background formulation and
underlying
assumptions that he used in order to
arrive
at really the fiscal and economic
schedule that he put together
so we are ground truthing that right now
and that's a collaboration between the
police department the clerics department
uh in resnick's controller's office and
and myself
uh to really make sure that we are fully
comfortable with it um
and then once we are comfortable with
what what those numbers should be and
what those underlying assumptions should
be we would move forward
um and i would i would hope to say that
we have some sort of rfp
um out in the not too distant future uh
do you want me to get into city manager
gate and do you want me to get into
residential parking lots sure uh
so you know as the council discussed um
at length at the working meeting last
thursday there's a couple options on the
table
uh that the city is actively pursuing
and fleshing out
uh in terms of how to address the
parking lots that were just handed back
over to
uh the private owners as you all know we
were the city was losing and the
taxpayers were losing a hundred thousand
dollars a year
uh by leasing those lots so we've had a
number of emails from residents that
have expressed an interest in paying
significantly higher amounts in order to
be assured a parking spot
if we if you know an entity either
ourselves or the individual owners of
those lots
decide to sell a limited number of
spaces relative or with respect to those
individual lots
so we're looking at it internally of
what
um what the interest is and if it
matches the number of spots
and we're also pursuing the potential
change in the code
that would allow the current owners to
in a free market take over those lots
and be able to to charge what the free
market demands because as the code
currently states they are not allowed to
do so
so any questions on either of those two
items
um yes uh john uh resident allison
blanchette
emailed the council saying that she had
a formula
for square footage for parking has she
emailed
uh you back that information uh
she has not i will reach out to her
tomorrow though thank you
you bet
okay the last thing that i have is i
wanted did you want me i'm sorry donna
did you want me to do covet numbers or
yeah so just uh our
weekly or bi-weekly covet update so for
the week ending uh
sunday the 17th so the seven preceding
days ending on the 17th
there were 253 positive test results
in long beach which equates out to 36
little over 36 a day or 1.08 per
thousand residents those numbers have
been
sort of hovering around that mark for
really the past three weeks or so
since we started feeling the effect of
of the holidays and the gatherings that
took place the holidays
uh long island-wide information which is
the other key metrics that they're using
long island has a 7.68 positivity rate
for all those that have been tested
and a 23 availability of icu beds that
number is actually ticked up a couple of
percentage points
so not that any of this is good news but
in terms of are we going to be able to
stay open
are schools going to be able to stay
open at businesses stay open we think or
we're looking at that as a really key
metric
and that it's holding tight is uh is at
least positive with respect to
being able to keep our society open
uh the last thing i would hit is
vaccines
the rollout is obviously happening right
now it is a very frustrating one because
the supply versus demand equation is not
in anyone's favor
there are presently under the tiers that
are open in new york state
seven million people approximately that
are eligible for the vaccine
and new york state is getting 300 000 or
less vaccines shipped to it every week
so as i told you on thursday
if you just do that simple math and
stretch it out you're looking at
potentially six months
at these rates in order to get all seven
million people vaccinated
new york state reported out today that
77 of the doses they have received
have in fact been put in arms and that
number is accelerating
uh for those that are interested and
want to learn more about the eligibility
their individual eligibility
where they need to call in order to try
and get um excuse me
try and get an appointment to get
vaccinated which will caution you up
front
could potentially be several weeks out
and you might have to wait on hold for a
very long period of time but
to get the information of the closest
location to you
safety information about about the
vaccine the state has set up a website
which is covid vaccine.health.ny.gov
again that's covidvacene.health.ny.gov
and the vaccination hotline that the
state has set up is
1 833 nys
for vax which
in numerical translation is
1-833-697-4829
and absent any questions that's the
covid report
um how has the
vaccinations been regarding the uh
like the police the fire the volunteers
and all the emergency
staff are they are they happening as
scheduled or as planned or
has the distribution affected
those individuals as well yes and no
there's been some that were able to get
in early so the 1a
schedule allowed some people to get in
but even that got bogged down so i know
unfortunately we have some um you know
some of our
paid firefighters and other emts that
should have been in one a
that did not click the link the night
they got it you know because the link
went out basically new year's eve and
they waited two days so now
they are two weeks out from being able
to receive it um
i will say that um
more than a simple majority of those
that are eligible from city workers
first responders emts ambulance drivers
and we're making an appeal to expand who
should be on the 1b list who include
um our sanitation workers our water
filtration guys our sewer department
because they are all
absolutely either public interfacing um
or due to lack of redundancy or
workforce or unique skill set
in the job that they do absolutely
critical to ensuring
the health and safety of all of our
residents
so we're we're making that appeal to the
state but what we have seen
is the vast majority of those who are
eligible um
are willing to get the vaccine and if
they've not already received their first
dose
they are scheduled or you know signed up
to do so
thank you thanks john
okay um the last thing i have is that i
want to say congratulations
to john miranda and scott kimmins john
mirando is retiring
effective this thursday will be his last
day as public works commissioner
and he is moving he's going to be doing
some part-time work with us
but he is now going to be the part-time
fire commissioner
um john comes with an extensive fire
background
scott kimmons um is going to be moved he
will be
deputy fire commissioner but he his
major
um role now would be oem one of the
things that i have noticed since i've
been here is that we have a lack of
protocols and procedures for any major
event
we do have a a protocol for a hurricane
but it hasn't been updated in a while
and so um the goal is i want our oem
where we spent quite a bit of money to
be the number one
oem center in in nasa county
um and so um scott is challenged with
bringing that up to speed as well as
getting all of our policies and
procedures
and any protocols into play for us and
he still will remain
the commissioner of the building
department
so congratulations to you both and i
look forward to
all of us working together in each of
your new roles and that completes my
report right
great thanks donna um there any final
questions from the council before we
move on
all right see you none then uh why don't
we move on to the
i guess the public hearing okay our
first item is a public hearing for
resolution granting waiver of our street
parking requirements for premise 1052
west beach street long beach new york
for a convenience store smoke shop
and hold on i have the representative
for the property um tom sofield
tom you're muted you can go go ahead
okay can you hear me yes we can hi my
name is tom sofield i'm an attorney with
an office at 64 west park
directly across from city hall and i'm
representing shobhi rangoonwala
with respect to an application for off
street parking
at 1052 west beach street in the west
end
this uh premises had previously been
used as a foot spa
mr rangoon wallah is the current
proprietor of cloud9
the convenience store across from city
hall and he's looking to operate a
similar type of business
at that address in the west end one
issue that i know
was of concern to the council when mr
ranganwala first opened
his store across the street from city
hall was
ensuring that anybody purchasing any
tobacco products would be of age
my my office is directly above mr
rangoon wilder's
uh convenience store and i'm i'm in
there a couple of times a day
buying soda and more snacks than i
should and i i can tell you
um that he runs a very tight ship there
that um
they id almost everyone that comes in
there unless they uh look to be about 50
or 60 years old
and um he's sitting to my right and i'm
going to turn
it over to him to answer any questions
for you but
i'm happy to represent that he he does
want a very strict ship
with respect to making sure that tobacco
products are not sold to anyone who's
below
the proper age uh if anyone if with
no questions for me i'll turn it over to
mr rangoonwala who is seated
about seven feet to my right
okay is mr rangoon walla gonna say
anything
hi how are you oh hi i mean is there any
question for me
i mean i've been through this thing
already three years ago when i
opened this cloud9 convenience store
right across the
city hall building and uh you guys know
me very well
uh i've been running this store for
three years and uh
there are two people who is with me
right now
who lives in long beach uh two girls who
works there
one in the morning shift and one in the
afternoon shift
and i guess that's about uh all i want
to say i'm going to
open a similar thing at 15 10 52
beat street on west ham
all the employees will be on these kids
we're going to play long beach kids yeah
yeah they are they are long beach kids
they are working for me so it's going to
be
i'm going to hire just the long beach
people you know so
okay they can have a long distance the
job stays
in long beach all right
uh so let's see i see from the paperwork
you're expecting a couple of deliveries
each month
so uh that sounds right yes
usually i bring myself the stuff for the
store
but sometimes if we get soda or
something it comes like
once in the two weeks or so okay just
take ten minutes
all right and uh you only expect to have
one employee at a time too it says
you're generally working
yeah all right
uh any questions from the council
members
uh good evening this is liz tristan i'm
just will you have room for a bike rack
i was saving that for you liz yeah yeah
i mean i mean they asked me the same
thing and i don't mind to have a
bike rack in front of my school thank
you
okay any other questions
mr bendel may we vote on this so mr so
cool that it's close
that was my plan to do that so they
don't have to
stick around thank you
yeah so if that's seeing no other
questions
but let's see if we have any uh
questions or input from the public
no hands are raised at this time all
right no hands erased so uh
let's close the public hearing and um
and why don't we uh they move on to the
voting so we don't uh
have to have them stay on absolutely so
this is for item number two which is a
resolution granting waiver for street
parking requirements
for premise 1052 west beach street
street floor long beach new york for a
convenience store smoke shop
who introduced a move the adoption of
this item
president okay second scott i will yeah
voting council member delorey yes
councilmember mandel
yes member trusted yes
vice president mcginnis yes president
pendo
yes and welcome with your second
location
thank you thank you we see a lot of
success
thank you thank you all for very much
for your time okay have a good night
me too okay
and i guess we can move on to the agenda
then on to the regular calendar
um item one's approval of minutes from
prior meetings november 17
2020 and december 7th 2020. do i have a
motion to approve
i'll make a motion to approve second
i will
i'm sorry was that you liz yes sir
okay um voting councilmember de laurie
uh yes councilmember mandel yes
councilmember treston
uh yes president mcginnis yes president
bando
yes okay uh we've already called item
number two so we'll go on to item number
three which is resolution
adopting a revenue policy for the city
of long beach
okay that will be james
all right james long time no here well
good evening uh so
james niko a strategic consultant to the
city
i'm here tonight to discuss the revenue
policy
so as many of you are aware in
an effort to enhance transparency
accountability and provide some
guidelines for key financial decisions
over the last several months the city
has been
drafting and adopting a number of
different fiscal policies
the revenue policy that's under
consideration tonight is is uh
is one of those as a best practice
of the government finance officers
association it's recommended
that a revenue policy be established and
reviewed on an annual basis
the purpose of the policy under
consideration again tonight
is to ensure that the revenues of the
city are you know appropriate balanced
and capable of supporting the services
that are provided by the city
the policy itself includes a number of
different topics and statements
some of those include internal controls
the proper use of fund balance or
savings
ways to maximize revenue opportunities
for both new
and existing sources of revenue which
would include grants
and really trying to strike a balance
between the different
types of revenues that are received by
this by the city
as i mentioned before the policy
includes a statement at the end
indicating that it's going to be
re reviewed revised as necessary and
re-adopted
on an annual basis
okay do we have any questions
from the council members
all right policy was pretty
straightforward um
right anything from uh the public dave
yes we have roy lester okay where are we
go ahead
well where do we find the policy
it's on the agenda page on under city
council meetings
it was not when i downloaded it has it
just been added
the resolution was there the policy was
not there
roy i'll email you a copy of the policy
if you didn't see it
out there no i did not i know
email you a copy of the policy okay
thank you
okay
all right was that it roy that's it well
i can't see
the policy i can't ask any questions i
just checked it's it's on the council
agenda page for
tonight okay i guess i i downloaded it
earlier today so
well yesterday actually so i guess it
wasn't there then
all right it's been there since last
week it's on the under under city
council meetings and then under city
council agendas 2021.
it's right under the agenda okay roy if
you have any questions since you have it
now just give me a call
all right okay uh anyone else dave
uh nope that's it okay let's move on to
the next item
item four is a resolution authorizing
the city manager to enter into a
customer project commitment cpc
agreement with the new york power
authority
nypa that's uh commissioner miranda
and mr fabrizio
joe i uh you should be able to unmute
yourself
okay john and i are together just so you
know we're on the same
speaker okay so uh this is a
customer project commitment agreement
with the new york power authority to
upgrade
752 of our remaining street lights to
led technology once this project is
complete it's estimated that we'll save
seventy nine thousand dollars in energy
cost annually
and fifteen thousand dollars in
maintenance cost signing for total
savings of ninety four thousand dollars
annually
uh the design work for this was
performed by guff the console consulting
engineers which were paid for by knifer
uh to do the work the project also
includes a
uh what they call a
smart city technology uh with this
technology when these lights are
installed
uh if a light goes out or there's a line
failure
we will be notified over the over the
internet
so we'll be finding out about lights out
before residents even call us
uh construction would be the next step
and it's going to be performed by wells
back
wells back no longer has a contract with
us but they have a contract with
nipah for this project
by signing this agreement tonight this
will lock in the regional bid
pricing that nypa has procured to this
point
if we don't get this done by by the
by this meeting uh we'll lose that
pricing and pricing will go up and the
savings won't be as great
uh if we sign tonight's project expected
to be completed in the second or third
quarter of 2021
and this again this project's entirely
funded by grant funds and will come at
no cost to the city
just realized i'm talking and i was
muted uh any questions from the council
members
all right uh dave any from the public
no hands raised okay uh john joe
thanks a lot that hopefully you're
sitting at a bar stool talking to us so
uh go back to what you're doing
unfortunately we're at the office
okay well thanks anyway
and uh later okay number five as well
oh all right so yeah i guess you're not
going anywhere i have i have a hand up
that from
from our consultant from margaret or our
consultant hold on
oh okay go ahead margaret
yes
yeah margaret you're muted
sorry this is something can you hear me
now yes
okay this is something significant
enough because it'll affect the budget
that we should put as a line item in the
five-year plan so
if john you could just send james and
myself
a little more information about that uh
we'll put it in the plan
oh did they leave
they're
okay thank you yeah margaret i was just
going to say i have an entire course
sheet
that breaks the project down to the
savings and the construction cost as
well as the uh
the engineering cost and the various uh
timing of this project
so i will forward that to you tomorrow
okay thank you
all right mr mcnally yeah i just
wording on the resolution itself um
the last whereas states the city's
annual estimated energy savings and
maintenance costs once the project is
complete will be 94 035.
the way commissioner morando stated it
that that was going to be the
savings not the annual costs so just a
clarifying question to make sure that
the resolution is
being read correctly or reads correctly
well i think he meant the energy savings
and maintenance costs
yes so you're saving on the energy and
the maintenance
that statement is correct okay okay
okay maybe the savings should it could
have been a couple of shifted to the
right i see what you're saying but
a savings on maintenance and energy yeah
i i interpreted it to mean the savings
on both
energy and maintenance all right
as long as you interpret it that way i'm
cool okay
all right we have one other hand raised
roy lester
go ahead right i'm sorry i couldn't
raise my hand i
wouldn't let me raise it on the other
computer
um i'm sorry john had broken it down the
energy savings
and the maintenance costs can you just
do that again
one was fifteen thousand the other was
seventy something thousand
yeah the energy estimated energy cost is
seventy nine thousand
and thirty five dollars and the
estimated cost and maintenance
is fifteen thousand okay then
this mostly has to do with bulb
replacement
okay and bulb replacements with the leds
that's what i'm saying because right now
those 570-something lights
are 752 lights are regular incandescent
so there's so many of them get replaced
each year so once they're all converted
to leds they won't be being replaced and
that's where the main course is we'll
still get line breaks and things like
that
so i just wanted to mention one thing as
well we just retained the new street
lighting contractor as of november 1st
and we actually have placed this
information in the bid
and our bid prices for the maintenance
got reduced from 16 000 a month
to 8 000 a month and yeah we believe
it's you know because that we put this
information in the bid that
you know all the lights are essentially
going to be new on broadway on park
avenue um
you know within by the end of this year
so
when you're saying that the maintenance
cost is going down by 15 000
that's before the new contract with the
new contract
it's actually more it's another sixty
thousand
it's it's it's a it's a very nice
savings yes
yeah we have very good i mean the
contract has been it's called new york
trenchless is the new contractor it used
to be wells back
they've been working in the city now for
two and a half months and
i have to say things are actually going
pretty well and they're half the cost
um that doesn't happen very often but so
far so good i mean we've been keeping a
you know really close eye on them and um
and the complaints have been actually a
lot less than with wells back um
and things would know pretty well so
knock on wood it's been
it's been a success okay and um
right now we're spending is is
all of this cost right now under
transportation
no it's on the a line and it's it's um
it's under this
that's public works budget it's a 1490
street lighting i'm trying a what 1490
yeah it's on the street lighting i think
we have budgeted like 300 plus thousand
and then there's 180 under street
lighting and transportation
is that the same lights that's the same
i don't have in front of me quite
honestly and i could show you uh
um easily if i had it in front of me but
it's it's definitely on the public works
street re-lamping
it's called i think right
what is it so roy ian is not on the call
tonight
um any questions that you have regarding
the budget
and this savings that we're getting um
we can
sit down with you and talk to you about
it
um as far as how it compares to the
budget
yeah donna i just was was cutting on joe
a little bit here
the the one in transportation that's the
power cost
for the lighting so we pay a certain
amount depending on each fixture
so when those fixtures are turned over
to leds we pay less for each fixture
to pse and j so that's how the savings
is estimated for the
power cost and that will show up next
year in the
transportation line under street
lighting okay so the transportation
will be going down by about 80 000.
yes and the city and the the maintenance
is right now about 300 000.
it's a little bit but it's budgeted for
a little more than that
so there's definitely going to be a
significant savings there
donna had asked us the city manager had
asked us to reduce our budget in this
office by 10
and that was one of the key factors in
being able to do so for next year for
next year's budget because
of the reduction in this contract um
it's going to be even more than 10
i believe right john yes um
so it's a it's a big savings i could if
you want offline we could i could show
you i can look up the budget information
for you in the budget and
show you exactly where it's listed okay
yeah i would appreciate that thank you
yeah no problem
no um joe it would be joe and uh john it
would be interesting to
understand these 752
lights in a in a in a total
environment of what 2100 lights or
1500 lights 1800 lights
so it was 1800 lights so it means
we've converted 1100 already over the
last several years
so that means 1100 plus this uh
752 so that's 1800 lights in total
correct a little over 1800 so that means
all of our lights 100
of our light street lights are now led
they will be at the end of this contract
see that's something that's great so
thank you
you're welcome
all right anyone else dave eileen
hession
okay
go ahead eileen you cannot mute yourself
hi
uh i'm sorry i've been trying to get on
the whole night
and it hasn't worked so my question is
uh margaret and james were
speaking earlier and james did
introduce himself as a strategic
consultant
are they both consultants what is
margaret who are they
and are they part-time people are they
consultants that we're using just for
special projects
and yeah i i lean
they're from um cma they're the city's
financial
consultants um uh
if you want you can give me a shout
tomorrow or
after the meeting and i'll i can fill
you in in more detail because that
that's really not to do with this item i
know i'm sorry
but there i mean you can give me a call
tomorrow i can go over with you what cma
has been doing for the last year and
what they're tasked to do right now
very good thank you okay
anyone else dave i just also want to say
eileen they're exactly the type of
people that we need to help us
move this city forward get our budget
right and reduce our
expenses and increase grip so
it's a great question and you'll get a
lot more information thank you
nope that was it okay let's move on to
item five
item five is a resolution authorizing
the adoption of the nassau county
multi-jurisdictional hazard mitigation
plan
all right is that john and joe again
that's uh this is all joe all joe all
right
yes um i'm just gonna give you a quick
overview
um since 2007 nassau county and
participating jurisdictions
including long beach has maintained a
hazard mitigation plan
in order to reduce community
vulnerability to natural disasters
and meet the requirements of the
stafford act the county and participate
in jurisdictions last summer
updated the nassau county hmp in 2014.
the update largely focuses on
implementing lessons learned from an
unprecedented impact of super slow
standing in 2012.
a total of 51 jurisdictions participated
in the development of the 2021
nassau county has a mitigation plan
update from long beach
myself john mirando sean drakins rich
corbett and scott kemmons
assisted in providing the lengthy
documentation necessary for inclusion in
the long beach component
um the way the document is structured um
essentially as follows
section one gives a background of wall
participate in jurisdictions
section two describes the planning
process and the collaborative efforts
of all involved section three focuses
primarily on nassau county
section four is a risk slash the
vulnerability assessment assessment
that describes all different ways a
community is vulnerable including
flooding hurricanes tropical storms
lighting coastal hazards drought snow
storms etc
section five of the document focuses
primarily on nasa county and their
ability to
support hazard mitigation section six
focuses
on mitigation strategies and goals at
the end of the document there's several
annexes slash appendixes or supplements
which is basically a summary of each
community's
previous and planned hmp projects to
promulgate the goals and objectives of
the nassau county h p
the city of long beach annex appendix
contains 15
actions to reduce the city's
vulnerability to future storms
a few of those projects are construction
of the north shore critical
infrastructure protection project
the drainage project which actually we
received bids on on january 14th
which involves improving the drainage at
west park avenue between new york to
nevada
national southwark park in the
intersection riverside park
it also includes hmps perhaps mitigation
plans for city hall
the mlk and the ice arena lastly
adoption of this document is one of the
prerequisites of fema to uh to release
the 33 million dollars
off of the north shore critical
infrastructure infrastructure project
so it's extremely important that we
adopt this
um on another note as an aside i just
wanted to congratulate the commissioner
of public works john marando on his
retirement
um his work ethic and professionalism
should be commended
i had the pleasure of working with john
for four years
and got to work with him side by side
some very exciting projects
he could always count on him to be fair
honest and objective i wish him all the
best in his retirement
thank you thank you yep well he's not
going anywhere yet
we still got him uh
all right uh joe just uh one thing uh
in the city of long beach annex it has
the primary point of contact as
uh mike tagney enlists him as the mayor
and uh rich corbett as the alternate
that probably needs to be changed to
donna
and scott kemmons that's absolutely
correct i
what i sent you um was a draft i think
of the document
that's that's probably like the final
draft before it's actually
uh released okay i had actually
requested that change be made you're
absolutely correct though
okay that will be changed okay great
uh other than that any questions from
the council members
i just have a comment um
to john morando and joe fabrizio
i remember the items that were in the
capital budget
and now they're coming together along
with uh
with uh this mitigation plan
uh the no the bulk heading uh the west
park avenue there's a there's a ton of
projects
that the city and you guys and your
outside contractors
um have been involved in and i just want
to appreciate
you know appreciate all of the uh the
work that john mirando
and staff had done uh on this and
continue to do
and also to basically to wish uh john
mirando
um you may be john you may be slightly
retiring
on one aspect but i look forward to
continuing to work with you and joe and
others down the road thank you i'm
looking forward to it also
all right any other questions from the
council members
all right cnn dave we got any from the
public
no hands raised okay let's move on to
item
six item six is a resolution authorizing
the city manager to enter into a
location agreement
okay talking about some art here so uh
who's talking about that donna rich and
john
okay
want to kick it off rich i think you can
go over the finer points and i can
follow up
okay um so this is actually an
opportunity that was brought to us by
uh the city's marketing consultant uh
and it's a joint venture with discover
long island which is
the long island region's tourism uh
bureau for lack of better terms they
rebranded themselves discover long
island a number of years ago
much for the better because i think it
used to be called the long island
convention visitors and something bureau
so discover long island's got a much
better ring to it
um they have a project going that's
trying to
drive you know businesses to local
communities drive you know traffic to
local communities
uh and we were one of the two sites
chosen on long island for this endeavor
and what it is and actually i will try
and share my screen now
um is what you are seeing here
is what the artist's work is done in
poor jeff ignore the graffiti looking
stuff on the top
um but this is division long island
executive director and what they are
proposing to do
is have the same artist that did this
sort of angel wings
that obviously have an east end spin on
it um and put angel wings up
in the approximate location of the
perimeter fence where student surf is on
the boardwalk at riverside
um so the idea is you create you know a
focal point a place for folks to come
visit obviously we live in the age of
selfies
so this is an instagram attraction if
nothing else
and you know it's something that they
feel has been very successful in poor
jeff
to drive traffic to the downtown to get
people down there that haven't otherwise
been there that would then go frequent
restaurants and shops
and they are proposing to do the same
thing here
but we have because this is
being done in conjunction with scoot and
surf and discover long island it
obviously gets a little bit more
complicated and that's where rich comes
into play on this stuff
right so i mean just to follow up on
john um
why is the city a party to an agreement
like this is partially because of the
nature relationship between the city
and the schoons over at the riverside
location their lease requires our
permission when they want to do
something with the property
so we all got our heads together um sat
down spoke with uh representatives from
dli as well as with the students
themselves
everyone's very excited about it we have
we have an agreement pretty much drafted
and about finalized
it doesn't cost the city anything
they'll be providing us with
anti-graffiti coding
to preserve it should be about at least
about a year in duration
it will be right there on the boardwalk
for everyone to see
all right when would this when did i
anticipate this being done
well right now um i guess contingent
upon the council's vote on this and once
we sign the
sign the ink on the contract put the ink
on the contract
it's just a matter of scheduling the
artist
um to to get in there and start getting
the mural ready
right i'm assuming not till spring when
it warms up some
maybe sooner than that we do have to
coordinate with them a bit but uh
we definitely have a little bit of time
before we get there
right okay um any questions from the
council members
all right dave any from the public roy
lester
go ahead roy uh can you hear me
yes yes okay it really does look
beautiful
but i guess my question is why does it
need an
agreement don't we own that wall
we do roy but um so i guess i explained
a little bit before the nature of our
relationship between the student
facility and us
is that of the lease right and so um
it was kind of the three of us what's
that
do they lease the wall the perimeter
fence is part of that facility that they
lease yes
okay that would explain it all right
okay okay anyone else safe
that's all okay let's move on to item
seven
item seven is a resolution authorizing
the city manager to accept a donation
for long beach fire department engine
two three four three
that's rich okay
all right so this is
pretty self-explanatory a gentleman by
the name of john fanatso he's a resident
of long beach
um and a field sales rep for dewalt
you'd like to make a donation of rescue
tools to the long beach fire department
specifically engine 2343
we've had some correspondence with mr
fanatso as well as
sam pinto the union president just to
kind of go through the provenance of
these items making sure they didn't pull
off a truck or something
turned out that they didn't uh and uh
you can see in the resolution there are
five items one is a cut-off saw kit
another one is a flex volt chainsaw kit
a grinder kit diamond rescue blade and
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some battery packs or a battery pack
from what i'm told these are pretty
pretty phenomenal uh
tools um and it would be good to have
them
all right good stuff uh any questions
from the council members
um i don't have a question john i just
have you know commented
to thank uh mr finazzo and
uh dewalt as far as these uh this
equipment
um if we know the answer to this
who who inventories these items
takes it in accepts it logs it uh
you know it's a 2000 i imagine these are
brand new
pieces of equipment you know
that's my question on our side on
internally on us
okay i think once we finalize the
resolution on this
it would be uh i guess the fire
department's responsibility to inventory
and report to
the city manager and the comptroller
with regard to i guess it's value and
things of that nature right
that's part of the all the policies
we've adopted okay thank you rich
no problem all right any other questions
from the council
i just also want to thank mr finazzo and
dewalt
a very storied brand in terms of
tools and whatnot so
top quality stuff really impressive and
just another example of long beach
residents coming through for the city so
thank you very much mr finazzo
especially if these things are used to
save people
right all right
any other comments all right dave any
from the public i think either john
mirando or joe fabrizio
had something to say because they raised
their hand on this so we yeah
yeah to let you know uh the exo for the
uh paid firefighters
would inventory this equipment and then
bring it in
okay great
all right uh anybody from the public
dave
yes sam pinto sam you're unmuted go
ahead
oh good evening everyone can you hear me
yes hi uh good evening uh i too would
like to extend my appreciation on behalf
of the long beach firefighters union
uh to mr finazzo on his donation
um and also to rich berrios who work
closely with us and trying to organize
the proper route for this donation uh
these tools are worth
uh several thousand dollars uh the union
helped facilitate the donation
uh and just to give a little point of
reference these are uh dewalt
brand tools that are battery powered so
they're not gas powered and they're a
lot more reliable
and then the conventional chainsaw and
circular saw that we have now
and the capabilities of these tools that
they can cut through metal
concrete wood safety glass pretty much
every type of material out there
and one of the greater benefits of how
we chose to go with these tools is that
these battery power tools can operate in
low oxygen environments like in fires
where you can't start up a conventional
gas powered saw
or other you know carburetor based saws
because there's not enough oxygen so
these tools are very versatile they're
fire fighting rated tools and we look
forward to using them and serving the
public with them
so thanks once again to mr finazzo the
council
to uh to don i'm skating and um
as well as rich for really working on
trying to get this worked out for us
okay great
hopefully they won't have to be put to
too much use but uh
good thing we have them we'll have them
well pending the vote uh any other uh
public comments there dave that was all
okay so thanks again mr finazzo
and uh let's when the walton let's move
on to item eight
item is a resolution authorizing budget
amendment to the general fund budget
um that's me um we have a balance in the
federal transportation grant of 18977
and so what we're doing is we're
recording the revenues and recording the
expenses into the budget
um the city will have to do a 10 match
which will come from the transportation
department's existing budget
and that 10 is like 18 18 or nineteen
hundred dollars
okay any questions from the council
members
all right see none dave any from the
public
not at this time okay let's move on to
item
nine and item nine our final item is a
resolution authorizing publication of a
notice of public hearing of an
application wave off street parking
requirements
for premise 162 park uh east park avenue
street floor for a retail gift shop this
item is a publication only hearing will
be held february 2nd at 7 pm
now on to the voting portion item 2 has
been called already so item 3 is a
resolution
adopting a revenue policy for the city
of long beach who introduced to move the
adoption of this item
i will second
come on mike that should be you come on
mike
you're the revenue guy sorry i was muted
um i second thank you
good morning councilmember delorey yes
councilmember mandel
yes councilmember treston yes vice
president mcginnis
yes president bendel yes
item four is a resolution authorizing
the city manager to enter into a
customer project commitment cpc
agreement with the new york power
authority nypa
who introduced remove the adoption of
this item i will
second i will
voting council member delivery yes
councilmember mandel yes councilmember
trusted
yes vice president mcginnis yes
president pendo
yes item five is the resolution
authorizing the adoption
of the nassau county
multi-jurisdictional hazard mitigation
plan
which just move the adoption of this
item i will
second i will
voting councilmember deleri yes that's
remember mandel
uh before i vote i just want to thank
you commissioner morando for everything
you've done
your service to the city i vote yes
uh council member trusted yes vice
president mcginnis
yes president pendo yes item six is a
resolution authorizing the city manager
to enter into a location agreement
which just move the adoption of this
item
i will
who's good for the first i had you
originally but okay
then put liz for a second wait a second
okay
uh voting councilman delirie looking
forward to this
yes uh councilmember mandel yes
councilmember truston i also want to
thank
the dli and student surf and rich for
doing
all his hard work and absolutely i vote
yes
vice president mcginnis yes president
pendo
yes item seven is a resolution
authorizing the city manager to accept a
donation for long beach fire department
engine two three four three
we'll introduce some of the adoption of
this item i will
second i will
voting councilmember uh thankfully yes
councilmember mandel uh thank you for
your donation mr finazzo i vote yes
councilmember tristan thank you mr
finazzo
and the city for accepting this donation
on behalf of keeping our city safer
thank you vote yes vice president
mcginnis
yes president pendo yes
animate his resolution authorizing
budget amendment to the general fund
budget
who introduced remove the adoption of
this item
i will second i will
voting customer delivery yes
councilmember mandel
yes councilmember treston yes vice
president mcginnis
yes president bendo yes
and finally item nine is a resolution
authorizing publication of a notice of
public hearing of an application wave or
street parking requirements
for premise 162 east park avenue street
floor for a retail gift shop
which just move the adoption of this
item i will
second i will
vote in councilmember delorey yes
councilmember mandel yes councilmember
truston
yes vice president mcginnis yes
president bendo
yes who will make a motion to close the
meeting
i will close up sorry before we close
the meeting i just want to say
uh my deepest uh thank yous
to mr mirando as well and look forward
to
continue to work with him even though
he's semi-retired
can i vote to close the meeting you you
make the motion
oh yes who seconds the motion
hi well thank you voting customer
delivery
um mr mirando
i am very much looking forward to
working with you in the near future in
all your different capacities
um i do have to vote to close this
meeting
and i i i do vote yes
that's remember mandel yes
council member trusted yes vice
president mcginnis
yes president bendel yes okay
all right on to good and welfare uh
so i think most people know the drill
folks if you want to
speak for three minutes uh use the raise
your hand function
and we'll call upon you and you can
speak for three minutes on anything you
want
and our first speaker is roy lester
okay okay
um just a couple of observations
uh i have to say i'm i'm kind of
disappointed when i hear
the corporate council and cma
say that the haberman decision has
stormed them for a loop
this has been going on for years for
years people have gotten up and spoken
about the
impending incoming haberman
decision we have lost every appeal
i can understand being very disappointed
but being thrown for a loop
what was expected what did you guys
think was going to happen
you know i i'm glad that don is looking
into it and looking at different things
we can do
but i guess i'm just disappointed
because
everybody knew this was coming down all
you have to do is go over the old
transcripts people have been talking
about this for years
and you know to hear well we were thrown
for a loop it's like we had no idea
well anyway the other thing i'm asking
about are the transcripts
uh donna i had mailed you over
emailed you a copy of the transcript
that i had done by a
a commercial place believe it or not in
england
that was relatively cheap and it changed
every time a speaker changed so you
could actually read it
the transcripts you're giving us right
now are unreadable
they change every line you have no idea
who's talking
um it's just it's coming directly out of
youtube
from a voice recognition and it's not
what the governor had in mind when he
said that
we should be getting transcripts so i i
don't know what happened to them
okay thank you for sending me the email
we are looking into it
all right i mean it's relatively cheap
it's cheaper than having any of your
people do it
and it took it actually took a day and a
half and that was it
you know and and they used to these the
youtube ones took eight months to get
and uh you know now we get them right
away but they've
you've seen them you look at them and
you can see that they're basically
worthless
we're looking into it roy and i thank
you
i do want to comment on the reason not
on my three minutes though
go ahead go ahead are you done roy
no i'm not done but go ahead okay go
ahead just just know
have them stop the clock up the clock
okay
lock is stopped you have 40 seconds left
mr lester
all right go ahead roy
oh okay um be on the sanitation the
uh recyclable none of that's making
sense to me
do you i'd like to know what we paid for
the regular garbage per ton
i mean it went up 4 000 uh
our collection are recyclable and
when the law was originally put in place
it was supposed to be on an economic
basis too and it doesn't sound like it's
an economic
thing i don't even know that those
recyclables are being used to recycle
if they're being used for anything and
i you know none of it is making sense
when we had to raise did we change our
plan with the state
because what we'll do is because i know
i don't want them to say your 40 seconds
is up it is uh
it just went off and we will talk about
recycling
um and where we are um with all of that
so that you can better understand it and
you can ask more in-depth questions if
you like
well okay is it okay
yes i want to go back to your comment
about
that rich burials and cma said they were
surprised
i have in my hand the document from
moody's um uh the credit outlook
and they too also said that they were
surprised of the
out for the amount of 131 what we showed
in our financials
was that we were looking to pay out 55
million dollars so i think that where
everyone is talking about being
surprised
that it wasn't 55 million dollars that
it actually had doubled
and moody says same thing in their up uh
their news and analysis
talking about long beach um they
actually
said that the size of the latest
judgment is a particular surprise
okay i i i don't understand that because
the 55 the 50 million was from
how many years ago 19 years ago
something like that
i mean a long long time ago so if if
moody's actually expected it to
actually stay the same i'm kind of
shocked at moody's
i can't i can't say what moody's
expected except for what they st
what they put in here so i just want you
to know
of course you already know that we're
working on it we're doing our best
but moody's and along with us we did
have 55 million
uh recorded for so i will talk to you
soon roy
okay and justin and i will give you a
call when she gets back
okay and just quickly on the recycling
uh
and i think my numbers will be close and
i see
joe and john are probably still on but
we used to pay two dollars and fifty
cents a ton
for recycling to dispose of the
recycling
that's when there was an actual market
to per for people
that were purchasing the recycling
materials it was mostly being purchased
by china
that market has dried up so we now pay i
believe it's 60 or 65 dollars a ton
to dispose of our recycling that is why
it went up so much
but we still pay less than we do to
dispose of the recycling than we do
for our municipal solid waste
so that's the reason for the difference
anyway um this time was up anyway so
um uh who's next
uh eileen hession okay
okay um this is about the haberman thing
at 130 million and nine percent interest
it's almost a million dollars a month
that we're paying an interest i think is
that right
and my question is while you're trying
to set up meetings
and getting this thing going are we
still paying a million dollars a month
yeah that's why we're moving extremely
fast on getting this done
the interest started actually in
november
hmm and we found out the interest
started in november last monday
oh um i know it's too early because he
haven't started talks yet but have we
looked into
and this is rhetorical um
bankruptcy or bonding chapter five for
funding um we're looking into everything
good okay thank you very much you're
welcome i'll talk to you too tomorrow
eileen yes good
thank you okay okay
uh who's next dave uh
kathleen o'leary hi kathleen
let's hopefully we don't have a repeat
of last night
yep great um two things
um i didn't catch the details on the
parking meters and
i guess the question i have is um are we
planning on using
the system that rockville center has
with the
central meter and just signs up for each
spot
and are we putting them in the
central district lido beach and the west
end
and then going back to the recycling um
i got so confused this week i had to
call my neighbor as to when to put out
the recycling
but you know i also have the question
whether or not
the stuff that we put out as being
recycled
and i'm going to say you know if we
could do a pilot program
where we separate everything that has a
deposit due
on it and maybe go for three months and
compare
the money between what we pay when
the deposit stuff is included in the
recycling
as opposed to what we pay when it's not
included
i think that would be a a good way to
you know
show the cost benefit of it
okay we don't do the actual recycling
ourselves we take it to a
to a municipal district that that deals
with the recycling so we just drop
it off with them so we don't actually
do that kind of separating and stuff
into the
different components for the different
feed stocks for the different recycling
efforts
so uh they just take it off our hands
and yeah but like what do they do with
it you know i guess
that's my question that that's up to the
municipal district
whatever they do i'm sure they most
likely they try to sell it
uh i would assume uh
but i don't i see joe and john is still
on i don't know if there's any
feedback we get what they actually do
with it but i don't think we track that
because it becomes their responsibility
once we give it to them okay
and that's for the parking gates oh wait
i just see joe unmuted
yeah john john mirando yeah basically
we take all our recyclables over to
sanitary district one who has a contract
with omni
omni is the recycler they separated at
their site
um once the markets went we could no
longer do single stream or we'd be
paying 85
a ton that's right it was 105
a ton for single stream which is
actually 20 more than we're paying for
municipal solid waste
so that's why it's been broken up into
plastics and cans
as one group and paper and cardboard so
paper and cardboard we could actually
pay
uh 35 a ton and then we would pay
just call mingle just pay 80 a ton at
that point so
that was the most reasonable way to save
money uh
they take it and they omni finds the
markets for what they recycle and pull
out of the uh
out of the waste stream and they're the
ones that sell it so
okay i mean i just see um
it you know leaving i've been doing this
for years like leaving out the deposit
stuff in a clear
plastic thing you know um you know it's
getting
to the right place and it's a way of
helping people during the pandemic
because there are a lot of people who do
this type of work
i saw one guy last weekend with a pickup
truck
going through the garbage can over by
the laurel
the entire bed of the truck was filled
with deposit bottles you know it was a
lot of
stuff so well it really wouldn't be cost
effective for us to hire the label to
the labor to pull those kind of things
out not a five cents uh
a deposit that's part of the problem you
know the state is looking into
increasing the bottle deposit
from five cents to ten cents and that
may make people more
apt to recycle themselves and bring back
their deposit bottles but quite frankly
at five cents a bottle for a lot of
people it's not worth storing it and
bring it to the bringing it back to the
stores
so they raised 10 i think you might see
more people doing that then
and i believe there has been some
discussion in the state to raise the
deposit from
a nickel to 10 cents all right that's
good no i'm one of those people who
doesn't bring it back
but i'm saying if the if the homeowners
were to separate out the bottles that
have deposits on them
it would be less for sanitation to pick
up
and it would be um it would reduce the
cost
for recycling for the city plus it would
give people
you know an extra 10 20 bucks that are
hurting in the pandemic that's my point
i wouldn't expect a city to do it and i
think that's a point well taken kathleen
it obviously can't be the policy of the
city
um but if residents wanted to take it
upon themselves to do that
you're absolutely right i'm from the
altruistic side you're helping people
who need the help
um that are obviously you know hustling
um to earn you know their livings and
their livelihood
you know a nickel at a time which is no
easy work um
and it's got the tangent general benefit
or the you know symbiotic benefit
of bottles weigh a lot you know and
we're we're paying by the pounds
of recycling so you get a lot of those
bottles out of what we have to ship
um to sanitary district number one it it
certainly helps the city
so um by all means and i
i'm really chiming in more to get to
your parking meters
uh questions so i'll take them in
reverse order
the the district that we are looking at
is the central business district for
right now
um when you when you talk and that is
sort of inclusive of
what you consider the the east
business district along park avenue but
west end is not inclusive in this
because west end
needs more of a sort of a holistic
plan i mean all of long beach needs a
holistic plan right but
um the west end just to drop in meters
there would be disruptive to a whole
bunch of other things where
the central business district along park
avenue uh
you know is not necessarily impacting
residential parking or beach parking is
its own separate animal
so that's that's the distinct geographic
area that this is looking at
um and in terms of technology you know
we're getting comfortable with the
underlying assumptions
of you know how much you can charge for
a space what the occupancy of those
spaces are
throughout different parts of the day
and at different times of the year
to make sure that we're right when we're
putting any inputs of if you're going to
charge a dollar an hour a dollar two you
know over a two period
a dollar for a two hour period uh
residents being something less than that
do residents pay anything but
regardless of what what the inputs are
that you make sure the underlying
assumptions are good and then in terms
of technology
again we want we want the free market to
come at us with the best solutions
possible
so i think you know the goal of crafting
an rfp on this is to
lay out lay out the problems and what we
want the what we want
the outcome to be to address the problem
but then let all of the best companies
and technologies come at us with what
they think the best solution is
for our city and then we can we can
evaluate that internally
okay thank you you bet
all right have a good night kathleen
thank you
all right anyone else dave and we have
joanne rhea
okay hi joanne
joanne go ahead actually i see you're in
twice i just unmuted the first
let's try the second one
joanne go ahead
hello joanne hello yeah they are
okay i i just have i have a question for
uh miss gaben
there were a lot of questions asked
tonight
um that i think i'm very interested in
the answers to
but you're offering phone calls to those
answers
so how could the rest of us hear your
answers
what questions are you talking about cma
they're our consultants they've been the
consultants for the city
um for over well over a year and it's
there are financial consultants i think
uh
council member mcginnis made that
statement who they were
there are financial consultants and what
other question was that
there was the one with um the recycling
ester i was interested in that there
were quite a few from mr lester that i
was interested i answered the question
about the cost
of the recycling
yes and all his other questions what
were the other questions
i didn't write them down okay um
roy when roy has questions about the
budget he
breaks down which line item he's talking
about and so roy and he talks
all the time to us uh if you you are
welcome to call as well
so beside the one question that roy had
about a budget line item all other
questions were answered
so if you have a particular question you
can let me know what that is
and if it wasn't answered by me all
right i'll go back
i'll go back in the chat
i'll go back in the chat and i'll give
you a call tomorrow
okay
all right anything else joanne no that's
it thank you okay have a good night
anyone else dave that's it all right
well uh thanks for joining us
and uh i guess we'll be seeing you in a
couple of weeks
have a good night thank you